isis et al.

[mogfsat]

I have been listening to a lot of slow metal lately and combined with the space rock/noise stuff I listen to I really think it blends well. My problem is that I can't get a good slow metal sound. Somthing thick with tons of sustain. I can get good fast thrash sounds, but don't want them. any ideas?

[danno]

well what are you using now?

[mogfsat]

Heres the gear I'm using. I play a gibson sg...that runs into the following....in order: 1. Holy grail reverb pedal, 2. Small Clone Chorus, 3. Fulltone tremelo (which I can't stand.), 4. Big Muff Distortion, 5. Deluxe Memory man, 6. Ernie Ball Volume pedal., 7. Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier.

I think maybe I could Use the tremelo at a brutally slow rate into the big muff...and produce some killer slow rolling riffs. I just can't seem to get enough clarity on my lowend when I do this.

My influences are:

Metal: Indie:
Neurosis Mogwai
Isis Godspeed You Black Emporer
GodFlesh Radiohead
Helmet
Converge
Botch

I want to produce that almost indecipherable fuzz. Where you hear chord or note changes, but the pace and noise is so dense you almost have to feel the change rather than be all "Wow, I believe he just played an A, G, C, diminished blah, blah, blah."

[RBmagnificent]

I'm really into that type of similar tone too, and I've pretty much got it pegged. Your setup sounds really good for getting that tone, except you need a good delay unit! Whatever delay you might want, what's good for heavy progressive type sounds is to set relatively long delay patterns, but keep the volume low on the delays and keep the feedback high. That way, you end up getting alot of loopy, ambient trail offs and additions, without completely diminishing your original tone. Besides that I think all of that other stuff you've got should be good for working towards that tone. I'm not too sure what you might do for a real fuzzy tone, except layer different amps (to get a good clear fuzzy sound) but of course that takes loads more $$$ and you have to split and then mix your signal again.

[Pinshlo]

Try using another fuzz along with the big Muff:D

[mogfsat]

Yeah, I 've heard that about using two or more distortion/fuzz pedals in series to somehow over compress the sound which should result in a thick rumble. I think I might get just a metal zone, which will be wierd for me since I play almost all analog gear. I already have a pretty good analog delay pedal. maybe I'll get one of those dd-3's or dd-5's. My memory man is my favorite pedal, since it chorus's the signal, and produces a slight harmonic fuzz. But the delay time is only 550ms. which seems long enough but when you set it to those settings it sort of clips off the low and high end, giving an almost chincy tremelo sound. I had a dd-5 and remember it had something like 1800 ms. of delay time. If I'm not mistaken you could also control the decay rate, which had some cool trailing sonds. Right now I'm currently cheating on the thick tonal stuff by just playing open E's or Open D's, I know it's lazy but somehow it works.