joy division

[Helmet]

How to get that sound?
They use unknown pedals for chorusing and flanging, really I don't know what kind of pedal I have to consider, probably a Boss Ce2 chorus....then? What about a good reverb unit?
I really love Closer and new wave in general,
ah by the way, I'm new here:)

[spongemonkey]

here (http://guitargeek.com/rigview/297/) is Bernard Sumner's Joy divison rig.

I can't tell you how to get the tone exactly but you can get a pretty good Joy Division sound using any digital delay and most chorus pedals, you just have to experiment. You need to use really small amounts of delay time and fiddle with the repeats until you find that claustrophobic tone.

If you search on the net for stuff on Martin Hannet, Joy Division's producer, you should find stuff on the types and amounts of delay he used in the studio on "Closer" and "Unknown Pleasures"

[Ice age coming]

joy division rawks!

i think the most amazing thing with Joy Division is the drumsound on "Unknown Pleasures" its so incredibly... JOY DIVISION.


:D


R.I.P Ian Curtis

[commuter]

without a doubt, joy division are my favourite band of all time.

a lot of the distinctive tone and use of chorus and digital delay was outboard gear in the studio. martin hannet was a processing freak. as someone else mentioned, there is a lot about him on the net that you can read.

if you listen to any of the live recordings (there are many available, thankfully... my favourite is les bains douches) the guitar sounds are very different than on the studio recordings. they're really raw and straight ahead punk rock guitars.

[Ice age coming]

Originally posted by commuter

if you listen to any of the live recordings (there are many available, thankfully... my favourite is les bains douches) the guitar sounds are very different than on the studio recordings. they're really raw and straight ahead punk rock guitars.



yeah i second that.. the live perfomance is much more rawknrall then the albums! much more crazy and energetic!

[Helmet]

It's hard to find info about stompboxes or rack they used, and prolly they're discontinued also, so I was wondering what can I use to reach that sound. Seems hard.

[cubby]

As commuter said - much of that Joy Division sound is actually more the deranged genius of Martin Hannett than it is Bernard Sumner...

[fiveways]

Originally posted by cubby
As commuter said - much of that Joy Division sound is actually more the deranged genius of Martin Hannett than it is Bernard Sumner...

I have to agree. Listen to the later buzz****s he produced. It has the same sounds and close to the vibe of JD.

Martin Hannett IS the reason Joy Division sound the way they do.

On that note, who loves the bad analog synth version of "Transmission"?

[fiveways]

FOR ALL WHO WANT TO KNOW:

The unknown Chorus/Flanger is a MXR(flanger, the big grey one), you can see it in photos.

Thanks.

[Garsil]

Originally posted by fiveways
FOR ALL WHO WANT TO KNOW:

The unknown Chorus/Flanger is a MXR(flanger, the big grey one), you can see it in photos.

Thanks.



cool.

even thoug I love Joy Division more than my family, I realy hate chorus and flangers :P

[Ice age coming]

Originally posted by Garsil
cool.

even thoug I love Joy Division more than my family, I realy hate chorus and flangers :P


haha nice one.. :p

you most really love joy division!

im neither a fan of chorus\flanger but still i love Joy Division!

[slain]

Originally posted by fiveways
FOR ALL WHO WANT TO KNOW:

The unknown Chorus/Flanger is a MXR(flanger, the big grey one), you can see it in photos.

Thanks. Thank ye!

[Helmet]

Thank u, I'll test it, I really need an analog chorus, and a new flanger, mine it a little too "metallic"

[idealflaw]

i got a dan electro cool-cat chorus in a recent trade and I find it totally nails those late 70's chorus tones. it's not lush at all, it's kind of milky...

it would fit in well with the joy division sounds..

[commuter]

my small clone does a good job too... pretty much what i got it for. put one on the bass and you're in instant peter hook territory.

[cubby]

Originally posted by commuter
my small clone does a good job too... pretty much what i got it for. put one on the bass and you're in instant peter hook territory.

It helps a lot to have a bass that is very trebly/punchy like a Rickenbacker to nail the Hook tone.

[commuter]

Originally posted by cubby
It helps a lot to have a bass that is very trebly/punchy like a Rickenbacker to nail the Hook tone.

my jazz on just the bridge can get close... but a rick-esque bass would be better.

[idealflaw]

i have a short-scale squire bullet bass (which is basically a music master guitar with bass strings---same neck length and everything).. It has a single coil lace-looking pickup. that thing knows treble quite well..

[cubby]

Originally posted by idealflaw
i have a short-scale squire bullet bass (which is basically a music master guitar with bass strings---same neck length and everything).. It has a single coil lace-looking pickup. that thing knows treble quite well..

Yeah - I used to use my Musicmaster Bass to get that sound. Of the basses I have had it and my single coil P-Bass could get the closest. I always wanted a Rick bass though.

[commuter]

Originally posted by cubby
Yeah - I used to use my Musicmaster Bass to get that sound. Of the basses I have had it and my single coil P-Bass could get the closest. I always wanted a Rick bass though.

peter hook's was just a crappy copy of a rick when he was in JD. maybe that's the trick.

[aje742]

why does he use a power attentuator with a solid state head??

[Helmet]

Just listened to bbc compete recordings; they sound really different from studio albums and the tone is really great!
It seems like they loved to use very warm overdrives on guitars like on "transmission" I'm still searching for what kind of delay they used to use :|