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im posting this here becasue, this is really a better forum, since the type of music i play is very dreamy/ambient/space/pop.
i read the entire ambient music guide, and had some questions as it compares to my rig, and the direction in which i need to go...
i also am not sure about the order of the pedals, are you guys talking about sending in a wave of reverb into the dist, which means the rv comes before the dist?
here is my rig:
62 reissue strat
70 gretsch tennessean
bd-2
big muff nyc
fabtone
cs-3 cant get too much good out of this one...
dd-3 mainly use for small delay(Reverb like) or hold function
daddy-o not really in my projected space rig...
tr-2 maybe need to replace this?
digitech xp-100 this is good for crappy nonguitar sounding stuff
dod fx25b envl filt i can get this almost not cheezy sounding....
roland re-201
crappy amp
im hesitant to get rid of anything until i get a decent amp and can see what all these things really sound like, but im probably dropping the daddy-o, cs-3, changing trem(suggestions?)
im getting an intelliphase soon, maybe a small stone also?
i think i need more delays, reverb and then some looper... anyways thanks for reading my long rant, any advice is welcome!
tom
hot_rats!
05.16.04, 12:33 PM
reverb before distortion sounds like a cool idea; but, id get another distortion dedicated for that so you can have the normal sound too. another fabtone?
The Dano Tuna Melt is a cool tremolo. Ibanez soundtank tremolo is cheap too, and I've heard good things about it.
I saw 2 different ibanez DL-5 soundtank delays(800ms) go for around $20 earlier this week on ebay. I got sniped on both of them...:( Even if the delay sucks on it(i doubt) it has to have some use for $20.
fiveways
05.16.04, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by hot_rats!
I saw 2 different ibanez DL-5 soundtank delays(800ms) go for around $20 earlier this week on ebay. I got sniped on both of them...:( Even if the delay sucks on it(i doubt) it has to have some use for $20.
those are actually really decent, basic DDL's. They pitchshift nicely and would be good in a feedback loop.
fiveways
05.16.04, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by Talon
im posting this here becasue, this is really a better forum, since the type of music i play is very dreamy/ambient/space/pop.
i read the entire ambient music guide, and had some questions as it compares to my rig, and the direction in which i need to go...
i also am not sure about the order of the pedals, are you guys talking about sending in a wave of reverb into the dist, which means the rv comes before the dist?
here is my rig:
62 reissue strat
70 gretsch tennessean
bd-2
big muff nyc
fabtone
cs-3 cant get too much good out of this one...
dd-3 mainly use for small delay(Reverb like) or hold function
daddy-o not really in my projected space rig...
tr-2 maybe need to replace this?
digitech xp-100 this is good for crappy nonguitar sounding stuff
dod fx25b envl filt i can get this almost not cheezy sounding....
roland re-201
crappy amp
im hesitant to get rid of anything until i get a decent amp and can see what all these things really sound like, but im probably dropping the daddy-o, cs-3, changing trem(suggestions?)
im getting an intelliphase soon, maybe a small stone also?
i think i need more delays, reverb and then some looper... anyways thanks for reading my long rant, any advice is welcome!
tom
I have some suggestions:
1. Avoid the Intelliphase. It is really weak and lameish. Just get a small stone. In the long run you will be happier.
2. The yamaha magic stomp is the greatest reverb processor ever made in pedal fourm, and has very nice dleays.
3. If you want more delays cheapish, I suggest a combination of a Ibanez DE-7 and a digitech digidelay. Though, You have a RE-201, which makes the Ibanez less useful(still a great pedal though).
4. Volume pedals are the greatest things in the world for this stuff.
I'd make your priority to get a decent LONG(4 second plus) delay or a sampler and a good reverb first off. You could go cheapish and get a Digidelay and a Digiverb, but you might not be happy with the tone. A magic stomp is prefect for the reverb, or a old ass rack liek a Korg DRV1000(which is my favourite studio reverb).
How much money do you have/are looking at spending? Are you planing on selling anything you own?
as far as the money issue, lets not go out of our heads listing zvex or other botique items... but seriously, i view it like this...
buy what you want from the start, i wish i had got the 440 instead of the fx25b, i went with the cheap one, so now the resale value almost isnt even worth it, and its not what i want... so it sits there until i stick it into a feedback loop...
so having said that, i like to stick to the middle of the road brands
the thing i dont like about the small stone is the power situation...
proel volume pedals? save money where it is ok to... right now im using the xp-100 as a wah/volume mostly, needs to be replaced...
what would be good combined with the re-201? why does the de-7 made less useful, im kinda a newb on some of this stuff, been playing clean for a too long
yes i could sell just about anything but the re-201, i think that if i ever get that fender twin, i could be happy with a just that and the re-201
i will look into the magic stomp.. but do i really need that much rv? after i have the re-201 and the twin... hmm there is a korg rack on ebay now, i like the idea of going rack, since i gotta stack the re-201 on the amp anyways...
ive probably got another 1000 or so US that im willing to devote to the cause... ive got the guitars i want, most of the pedals i want, and i want a fender twin... thats kinda where im at right now financially...
Hi dudes...
You can always go and get the g-major by T.C. electronic. It has great reverb, delay, tremolo and it also has two types of phasers.
I absolutly love mine. It is very versitale, and it works great with the behringer 1010 footcontroller :)
fiveways
05.16.04, 1:47 PM
Originally posted by TheDude
Hi dudes...
You can always go and get the g-major by T.C. electronic. It has great reverb, delay, tremolo and it also has two types of phasers.
I absolutly love mine. It is very versitale, and it works great with the behringer 1010 footcontroller :)
Short delay times. Well, too short to loop. Not really suited for the type of music he wants to play.
fiveways
05.16.04, 2:02 PM
Originally posted by Talon
as far as the money issue, lets not go out of our heads listing zvex or other botique items... but seriously, i view it like this...
I never list boutique stuff. I even state in the ambient equipment guide i dislike listing boutique gear as the price is insane, and really, most isn't all that great.
buy what you want from the start, i wish i had got the 440 instead of the fx25b, i went with the cheap one, so now the resale value almost isnt even worth it, and its not what i want... so it sits there until i stick it into a feedback loop...
would you use a 440 all that much though? I find them really limited. You can get a couple alesis philtres for as msch, and they will do that basic sound and WAY more(last I saw they were $39 at MF)
so having said that, i like to stick to the middle of the road brands
the thing i dont like about the small stone is the power situation...
The akai is a terrible pedal though. what are you using for a power situation now? You could alwasy just grab a Visual sound or godlyke power supply for your none standard pedals......They are cheapish and will do a excellent job at powering them(and are not really a true wallwart)
proel volume pedals? save money where it is ok to... right now im using the xp-100 as a wah/volume mostly, needs to be replaced...
I use a proel. it is just fine. they are cheap and do the job.
what would be good combined with the re-201? why does the de-7 made less useful, im kinda a newb on some of this stuff, been playing clean for a too long
Well, a DE-7 strength is sounding like a tape/analog delay. And you have a AWESOME tape delay. And you have a DD-3, so you have a good analog(tape) and a decent digital delay. I think if you got another dleay, it should have a loop function with at least 4 seconds of delay on it. Like a DOD DFX94, Digitech digidelay, a Boss DD-6(though, I do NOT suggest this pedal unless you get it used and cheap), a DD-20(my personal favourite for it's versitility), a Line 6 DL-4, or a Akai Headrush(the version II comes out soon, or if you can find a version one at a pawn shop for a OK price).
yes i could sell just about anything but the re-201, i think that if i ever get that fender twin, i could be happy with a just that and the re-201
I have to admit, I suspect you will see me playing through a Nice tape echo, a outboard reverb(because a twin just doesn;t have enough for the type of music you want to play), a RC-20, a DD-20, and a volume pedal in a years.
i will look into the magic stomp.. but do i really need that much rv? after i have the re-201 and the twin... hmm there is a korg rack on ebay now, i like the idea of going rack, since i gotta stack the re-201 on the amp anyways...
Well, I find a good digital source mixed with springs best. Spring have a limited amout of reverb within them, and I find it to be not enough for they style you describe. The magic stomp is a one stop reverb for life type of pedal. I doubt after getting it you will ever need anotehr reverb.
The korg might do for you. I try to avoid racks live, but if you already have a space echo, you might as well go for it. It has a nice option that takes it from your preset reverb amount to maximum. Very cool device.
ive probably got another 1000 or so US that im willing to devote to the cause... ive got the guitars i want, most of the pedals i want, and i want a fender twin... thats kinda where im at right now financially...
Get a looper and a reverb unit, and a proel volume. I would say a DD-20, magic stomp, and a proel volume. Maybe a small stone. Just DON'T get the akai. IT is really really awful. The DD-20 will loop and have ever delay you will probably want. The magic stomp will be a amazing reverb machine and has great delays and pitchshifts in it, plus the modulation effects are not bad at all. A Proel volume is a nice start, though I am upgrading my volume to a morley for the optical sweeping.
On phasers, what sort of tone do you wnat?
Originally posted by fiveways
Short delay times. Well, too short to loop. Not really suited for the type of music he wants to play.
plus there is the money issue with the tc electronics
sometimes i wanna sell it all and go billy howerdell....
but i dont like how clean it is, his tone is amazing...
how should i say... it doesnt sound indie enough?
im the kinda guy who like the middle of the road...
i dont want a peavey guitar, but i dont want a prs...
i play a bit of keyboard as well, so the phaser would probably be better used there... i havent been able to try lots of different phasers, i just read that the akai was a cheaper mxr phase 90..
what the deal with the magic stomp? is that the one that you can program? i wonder if i would have difficulty there...
how long is the time on the dd-20?
this is going to be a long thread, i havent even gotten into my guitar questions, thanks for the responses guys...
five, do you have a geeked version of your rig? also how does mine look as far as the order?'
me mentioning the 440 was simply to show how it doesnt pay off to get the cheap one when you wanted the other one.(assuming you can pay for it) i sit there and look at the fx25b and get pissed off :)
as far as power supply now? i forgot to list that i have a ls-2 and psm-5
as far as avoiding racks live, i have a rack sampler, and the re-201, so if i got the korg reverb, i could add one of those dtr tuners...
btw i will be playing in a band, not solo...yet.
also can you go into some of the tips/tricks/things you do with the volume pedal? obviously swells, and letting delays ring out...
fiveways
05.16.04, 2:40 PM
Originally posted by Talon
i play a bit of keyboard as well, so the phaser would probably be better used there... i havent been able to try lots of different phasers, i just read that the akai was a cheaper mxr phase 90..
I would choose a MXR phase 90/100 over a akai anyday. Even though the price is great, my old DOD phaser smokes the akai for sound quality. It is a really limp phaser. I can't beleive anyone would have bought it at full price. I can try it on my synths and give you a review of it on that ground, but I am not holding my breath.
what the deal with the magic stomp? is that the one that you can program? i wonder if i would have difficulty there...
www.magicstomp.com
It is all computer edited, but the POWER inside it is insane. Do not take the sound clips as a example of what it can do at all.
It is showing up in every indie/'gaze/post rock/ambient rig on this site for a reason....And that reason is it is the best floorbased reverb processor ever, and that is just the start of it.
Granted, expect to spend a few day programming it, but with the amount of tweaking you can do, you should get incredible sounds out of it.
how long is the time on the dd-20?
23 seconds.
five, do you have a geeked version of your rig? also how does mine look as far as the order?'
Well, i would move a few things around, and get rid of the CS-3.
digitech xp-100 this is good for crappy nonguitar sounding stuff
bd-2
daddy-o not really in my projected space rig...
big muff nyc
fabtone
tr-2 maybe need to replace this?
digitech xp-100 this is good for crappy nonguitar sounding stuff
dod fx25b envl filt i can get this almost not cheezy sounding....
dd-3 mainly use for small delay(Reverb like) or hold function
roland re-201
Would be one alternative
digitech xp-100 this is good for crappy nonguitar sounding stuff
dod fx25b envl filt i can get this almost not cheezy sounding....
bd-2
daddy-o not really in my projected space rig...
big muff nyc
fabtone
tr-2 maybe need to replace this?
dd-3 mainly use for small delay(Reverb like) or hold function
roland re-201
Is what I would do.....
And I dont have a geeked version of my rig. Hell, I barely hae a rig right now.....I'm redesigning it to be very different....Like
Gibson Les Paul-Boss PS3-Boss OC3-volume pedal-Rat-Fabtone-Alesis Philtre-small stone-Magic Stomp-Pod 2.0 with floor board-Magic Stomp-Digitech PDs20/20-Boss DD20-Boss RC20-Korg Kaoss pad mkII-Powered speakers.
There maybe be a Akai headrush, a Ibanez DE-7, and a Danelectro PB&J added. they would be after the POD and before the Magic Stomp.
My photo is easy to pick out, Big board bottom-big board top-little board top-little board bottom.
me mentioning the 440 was simply to show how it doesnt pay off to get the cheap one when you wanted the other one.(assuming you can pay for it) i sit there and look at the fx25b and get pissed off :)
Personally, I thought the 440 wasn;t much better. Just me though.
as far as power supply now? i forgot to list that i have a ls-2 and psm-5
Ahhhh....Ok. Now I see the adversion to a small stone. And the TU-2 powers as well....
that is true, though a TU-2 is just as good as a rack mount one in my mind. I love my DRV reverb, but it is a at home only piece. The magic stomp is just a better unit then it.
[quote]btw i will be playing in a band, not solo...yet.
I figured. For solo I would be ripping alot of stuff out of your rig:)
also can you go into some of the tips/tricks/things you do with the volume pedal? obviously swells, and letting delays ring out...
I liek to use 2, one before and after gain. The one before allows me to adjust a lighter gain setting, the one after I use to fade in massive amounts of gain with reverb. I use the volue after the gain a lot to kill any pick attack on my guitar, so not technically a fade, more a dampener. I almsot always have a foot on a volume pedal if I am not changing sounds.
well after thinking about it and talking with you, i would guess that the magic stomp would be better than the rack unit, as it has more possiblities just within the unit... right? i mean it can do multiple effects?
so out goes the fx25b and cs-3.... onto ebay...
i may not always feel like playing one certian style so i wanted to hold on to most of my pedals, even if they dont fit in a certain genre's board... but these 2 have got to go...
probably would pull out the overdrives, but still keep them... stickin with the xp100, cuz its just weird.
doh you mentioning your pod reminded me i am borrowing one from a friend... not even using it now, maybe i will try to stick it in there and see what happens... what are you doing with it in yours?
fiveways
05.16.04, 3:08 PM
Originally posted by Talon
well after thinking about it and talking with you, i would guess that the magic stomp would be better than the rack unit, as it has more possiblities just within the unit... right? i mean it can do multiple effects?
The units possiblilies are insane. You can get alot out of it. If you are on highspeed, download the software and have a look at the amount of tweaking you can do.
doh you mentioning your pod reminded me i am borrowing one from a friend... not even using it now, maybe i will try to stick it in there and see what happens... what are you doing with it in yours?
Getting every guitar-sound I need out of it. Seriously, I have always hated amps because they are just too limited for what I am doing at this point. The pod give me 36 preset guitar sounds to work with. I find it awesome. some would find it overkill.
so i just bought some slowdive and and mbv stuff, anything else you guys can recommend?
so magic stomp... i will try to download it
im on 56k
now onto the guitars... what do you play?
i already listed mine but i was wondering... alot of folks that play in this genre go for the jag/jazz vein... if strats are supposed to be "the most versatile" why wouldnt they be using these?
what are the benefits of those fringe fenders? i thought about maybe selling my strat and looking into getting one
i dont wanna be the guy that runs out and buys whatever because whoever is using it... i want to have a nice setup for what im trying to do...
also if i got the dd-20 could i ditch the dd-3? and what about all the those dm-2/3's and sad's and other analog delays? or would that be overkill with the re-201?
Originally posted by Talon
so i just bought some slowdive and and mbv stuff, anything else you guys can recommend?
Mahogany, Galaxie 500, Adorable, Air Formation, Daydream Nation (The band not the Sonic Youth album), Bedhead, The Verve, The Telescopes, The Lilys, Southpacific, Bethany Curve, Low, Spiritualized, Paint Saints, Chapterhouse, Ride
etc.
Originally posted by Volsus
Mahogany, Galaxie 500, Adorable, Air Formation, Daydream Nation (The band not the Sonic Youth album), Bedhead, The Verve, The Telescopes, The Lilys, Southpacific, Bethany Curve, Low, Spiritualized, Paint Saints, Chapterhouse, Ride
etc.
thanks man!
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