View Full Version : Oct. 25th ... let us continue
Clayton38
10.28.04, 2:53 AM
I figured that my opinions as well as other's would be deleted by the person in question. Its very obvious that he/she doesnt want to deal with the truth and take responsibility for the lies he/she has told... so let all who care, continue.
My last post, that was deleted :
"Boy who cried wolf? Yes.
Naive and scared? Yes.
Selfish and irrate? Yes.
Am I offended by the gender issue? To tell you the truth, I suspect a lot of lies from the person we refer to as Wir-Click-Wir... so I wasnt very suprised at this particular revelation. Though as one of the people who was told on AIM, I wouldnt buy into the whole "experiment" bull, as Dylan told me more in the likeness of a scared kid who never intended to really carry on as long as he/she did. This whole "I owned up to the truth" thing sounds a lot more glamorous than it actually was... because if you dont know that he/she is a misguided, misinformed and highly impressionable youth, then you havent been paying attention.
That said, I personally choose not to go into the ugly, disturbing and profane actions and words I have heard and seen from Dylan. Myself, as well as many of my friends have been made into victims of his/her outbursts more than I care to count. He/she needs as many friends as he can get I suppose... as lack of attention seems to be the catalyst for most of the behavior I have witnessed. I personally, choose to wipe my hands of it... and if others don't, then I suggest that they face the truth, which is that Dylan is a very disturbed person that needs help."
I hope I dont come off as too much of a ****, but things need to be said... and I dont feel that we should delete them in such haste.
Wir-Click-Wir
10.28.04, 2:58 AM
Originally posted by Clayton38
I hope I dont come off as too much of a ****, but things need to be said... and I dont feel that we should delete them in such haste.
You're not coming off as a ****, but as I said in the other thread, I'd prefer to deal with things one-on-one rather than have a mess of threads from people I've never even talked with getting involved. I've already moved past this with most of the important people in my life who were affected by it, and your insistence on continuing to have it up for public debate isn't necessary, but I suppose it's your right, so go ahead.
Clayton38
10.28.04, 3:01 AM
Originally posted by Wir-Click-Wir
your insistence on continuing to have it up for public debate isn't necessary, but I suppose it's your right, so go ahead.
Thankyou for the support
VillageIdiot
10.28.04, 3:16 AM
Well I'm just confused by the whole thing.
Was all that "I'm suicidal, I need someone to talk to on AIM" stuff bull**** as well?
I don't know what to believe, really.
fiveways
10.28.04, 3:18 AM
Originally posted by Wir-Click-Wir
You're not coming off as a ****, but as I said in the other thread, I'd prefer to deal with things one-on-one rather than have a mess of threads from people I've never even talked with getting involved. I've already moved past this with most of the important people in my life who were affected by it, and your insistence on continuing to have it up for public debate isn't necessary, but I suppose it's your right, so go ahead.
No dylan, it is necessary. You refuse to take any responcibility for your actions when you are wrong. You try to sweep things away. You are impulsive, you rarely think things through. You blame manic depression, then stay on your ****ing meds for more then a month at a time.
You are selfish to a "t". You have no true concern or respect for anyone else. You will not even apologize to a group of humans who liked and respected you for lying to them and wanting a answer. Instead, you delete your words and pretend like nothing has ever happened.
You attempted to insert yourself into my life, to make yourself MY problem. Again, you ran from a situation instead of facing it. FACE YOUR ****ING RESPONSIBILITY ONCE IN YOUR LIFE DYLAN AND APOLOGIZE.
You discuss idea's/ideals like unconditional empathy and profound love for others, yet you don't respect there need/desire for a explanation of your own actions. You attempt to hide it away and ignored it happened. There is a real hypocrisy in those actions. At least there is from my point of view.
Notice how I discuss the concept of responcibility a lot here? It is something you lack completely as a human.
he's just a confused kid taking drugs, nothing special
faking gender is very common on the internet, nothing new
one thing I know: I would never trade with w-c-w :p :p
I'm horribly confused :(
Could someone please give the general gist oh what went on in this thread, for those like me who missed it/only read the first few posts?
All I've got so far is Wir is actually a guy?....and has been pretending this whole time?
TheGrinnan
10.28.04, 8:50 AM
I've known Dylan was a dude for some time now. We were talking on AIM for a bit and he told me. I haven't spoken to him since because I immediately began to question EVERYTHING Dylan has told me.
I know that the Internet isn't the best place to meet people, but in my naivete I guess I expected more honesty from people at GuitarGeek.
That kid BS isn't gonna take you far in life Wir.
Deleting the other thread was a snake move Dylan. You should have just left it up. Running around deleting threads just proves what everyone says about you.
paulandpaul
10.28.04, 9:07 AM
am I wrong in think most of this situation would slowly go away if Wir just posted a thread explaining himself and apologizing?
To delete posts and to think you can sort this out on an individual basis is not really realistic or fair to everyone who has been misled.
Do the right thing. make a public apology and I'll delete my sig and most of us will move on and try and forget all this BS. Just don't expect anyone to ever trust you again or take anything seriously you say again.
Originally posted by adrien
one thing I know: I would never trade with w-c-w :p :p
i dont know why not? ive traded with him/her. and it went smoothly.
apathyisok
10.28.04, 9:28 AM
D-R-A-M-A!!!!!
Damn, I wish I hadn't missed that thread. :(
Originally posted by Wir-Click-Wir
I said in the other thread, I'd prefer to deal with things one-on-one rather than have a mess of threads
When you go around telling lies, you can’t turn around and dictate the conditions of forgiveness. It shows that you were never really sorry in the first play. Can you understand that?
stratocaster83
10.28.04, 10:18 AM
it seems like I've missed something... word to myself: never ever trust W-C-W. has he/she (?) going on with that for so long? man, that's remarkable. I would have died laughin' after a mounth or so...
:rolleyes:
am i possibly the only one who thinks wir-CHICK-wir's actions should result in a ban? i'm not 100% for the idea, but when i think about why skuzze was banned v. what w-c-w has done, i seem to feel that a banning is in order ...
just a thought ... i mean it's freaking MASSIVE lying w/ NO CONSCIENCE whatsoever - does it really get worse than that?
btw, nice post fiveways ...
jonnyload3
10.28.04, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by scxtt
am i possibly the only one who thinks wir-CHICK-wir's actions should result in a ban? i'm not 100% for the idea, but when i think about why skuzze was banned v. what w-c-w has done, i seem to feel that a banning is in order ...
just a thought ... i mean it's freaking MASSIVE lying w/ NO CONSCIENCE whatsoever - does it really get worse than that?
btw, nice post fiveways ...
"By clicking the Agree button, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws"
Wir never broke any of those rules. Banishment is not necessary. Just lay off of him and give him time to apologise. Posting sh*t like that isnt helping anything at all
stratocaster83
10.28.04, 11:40 AM
I've always thought that faking your ID was something to be punished with banning. most of the trolls that have been here so far didn't meet an happy ending.
having said that, many of us will agree to let WCW explain his reasons, apologise and build up credentials in the future.
Clayton38
10.28.04, 11:45 AM
I never thought banning was in order... its just a simple fact that someone needs to apologize for pulling the rug out from under everyone. I mean, I personally would love to never see any other "Hey you! I am going to kill myself RIGHT NOW!" posts again, but who knows how much you can really ask for? Its like its used as an impending threat to anyone who questions or disagrees. That stuff just needs to stop... I am pretty offended by the way that any support he/she may have been given is exploited and stomped on by these horrible cries cries for help, that as members of an internet forum... are so far out of our control.
sweeppicker
10.28.04, 11:46 AM
I bet I got bigger titties than wir-click-wir.
But that thing between my legs convinces me not to call myself a female.
stratocaster83
10.28.04, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by Clayton38
I am pretty offended by the way that any support he/she may have been given is exploited and stomped on by these horrible cries cries for help, that as members of an internet forum... are so far out of our control.
I would ban him only for those "cries posts", even though they were real.
Why does everyone keep posting 'he/she' when we now know he's a guy?
Personally, I'd just think an apology is in order, banning is a bit harsh.
stratocaster83
10.28.04, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by JDogg
Personally, I'd just think an apology is in order, banning is a bit harsh.
personally, I'd just think that banning is in order, unless he posts a good lenghty apology.
the only reason i suggested banning is to get the idea out there - cause i don't think it's fair for the idea to be ignored soley cause "it's wir" ... i think (and this is just my personal view) that wir's deceit is WWWAAAYYY worse than anything skuzze did and we know what his result was ... when i think of the 2 incidents, i don't think you can separate them and say "what wir did is ok" and "what skuzze did is not ok" ... that just doesn't make sense to me ... i think a ban (even a temporary one) would certainly teach 'you know who' a lesson and to have respect for all memebers of GG - regardless of how well they know 'you' ... it was said that skuzze could appologize and have the ban lifted - can't the same logic be applied to w-c-w?
i have nothing personal against w-c-w - but i REALLY don't like the deceit and the intentional removing of threads to cover up h/is/er lies ...
and i think said individual needs some time away from GG to decide how much he really cares about GG ...
I'm against banning Dylan. If you have decided he is not the type of person you want to deal with you can automatically set your account to ignore all his posts. If you are also sick of hearing about Dylan's dramatic happenings, you can justifiably ignore his "Woe is Me" thread theatrics. It's as simple as that.
I personally think everyone deserves forgiveness but only if they're genuine about changing their ways. Those actions are up to w-c-w.
so everyone should have just put skuzze on "ignore" and that woulda solved everything?
personally i think the ignore list is a joke ...
i don't necessarily want wir banned, but i think it should be considered - that's all ...
i agree that the "ball" is in wir's court - but i think he's getting considerations that others wouldn't ...
maybe lying isn't a big deal on GG ... ?
:confused:
I don't think one really has anything to do with the other. Dylan has f'ed up friendships and betrayed the personal trust of some people. Skuzze just came on and said offensive things that were cut and dry against the rules.
I wasn't in favor of banning Skuzze either but I don' think the two scenarios here have any parallels.
There is only one offense that w-c-w committed that is a good reason for banning him, however it's not my business to disclose that info.
joeinthebox1980
10.28.04, 5:05 PM
Originally posted by scxtt
am i possibly the only one who thinks wir-CHICK-wir's actions should result in a ban? i'm not 100% for the idea, but when i think about why skuzze was banned v. what w-c-w has done, i seem to feel that a banning is in order ...
w-c-w was certainly not making personal attacks on anybody.
people lie all the time on these boards. lying about oneself - while it is quite annoying - isn't necessarily a ban-able offense.
joeinthebox1980
10.28.04, 5:06 PM
Originally posted by jcyphe
I don't think one really has anything to do with the other. Dylan has f'ed up friendships and betrayed the personal trust of some people. Skuzze just came on and said offensive things that were cut and dry against the rules.
I wasn't in favor of banning Skuzze either but I don' think the two scenarios here have any parallels.
exactly.
thank you, jcyphe.
Originally posted by sweeppicker
I bet I got bigger titties than wir-click-wir.
But that thing between my legs convinces me not to call myself a female.
hahahahahahahahahaha:)
that was by far the funniest thing i've heard all day.
joeinthebox1980
10.28.04, 5:11 PM
personally, since the beginning i was always skeptical of Wir's stories.
i've made my skepticism known to some people ... but generally i kept it to myself.
i am not surprised at all that Wir pulled this stunt.
with all the pathological lying (about drugs, lesbian fiances, alleged attempted sucides, etc), it's really no surprise to me.
i don't want to ban him.
i don't even expect and apology. what's that going to solve?
i think Dylan/W-C-W just has to deal with and live with the fact that his lies have caught up to him. and that he has to work his ass off to regain the trust of his friends and the rest of this board.
i think that mistrust and lack of confidnece that people will have in Wir-Click-Wir is enough punishment.
paulandpaul
10.28.04, 5:38 PM
well said.
with that, i will erase my sig since it seems everyone who needs to know, knows.
Paul
TheGrinnan
10.28.04, 7:24 PM
Originally posted by paulandpaul
with that, i will erase my sig since it seems everyone who needs to know, knows.
Still, nice what you've replaced it with.
paulandpaul
10.28.04, 7:43 PM
thanks:D
I don't support deception, no matter what sort of malady may be causing it. Dylan, if that even is his name, has been making fools out of all of us. It's just a stupid thing for him to do.
Now here's the PSA to Dylan: Kid, be yourself. There's no one in the world better than you. Unfortunately, you probably don't realize it, so you have to pretend to be something you're not. I would like to come on this board and pretend I'm Hugh Hefner, but I'm not, I'm Ron. So what you see is what you get. Live to your potential, no matter what it may be. Don't create some dream world that will eventually come crashing down on you like it is now.
joeinthebox1980
10.28.04, 9:29 PM
Originally posted by TheGrinnan
Still, nice what you've replaced it with.
i still get a chuckle out of your disclaimer.
TheGrinnan
10.28.04, 9:51 PM
Originally posted by joeinthebox1980
i still get a chuckle out of your disclaimer.
Actually, shouldn't it be a sigh of relief?
:D ;) :p
i don't understand what the big deal is? who cares if he pretended to be a woman?
Motorhead
10.28.04, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by Cupid0
i don't understand what the big deal is? who cares if he pretended to be a woman?
I think a lot of Geeks had their own personal 'Crying Game' :D
Surferosad
10.29.04, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by Motorhead
I think a lot of Geeks had their own personal 'Crying Game' :D
Maybe they will now think twice before they start hitting on the few girls that drop by guitar geek. I swear, sometimes it was actually embarrassing...
Surferosad
10.29.04, 12:07 AM
And by the way, I'm actually a 200 pound transvestite. What, you don't believe me?
Surferosad
10.29.04, 12:14 AM
Actually, I thought Wir was actually a transsexual! I mean, without generalising, all his interest for the technicalities and intricacies of guitar playing was highly unusual for a girl. So I assumed he was a transsexual or something... Anyway, don't take it too personally, this is the internet. To me, it still not very "real".
doingtheunstuck
10.29.04, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by Surferosad
And by the way, I'm actually a 200 pound transvestite. What, you don't believe me?
dude...like.... really!? like... wow!
err..wait...****... you were joking... weren't you?
****.
dont' tease me like that :p
Surferosad
10.29.04, 12:23 AM
No, I'm quite serious! I'm a 170 pound transvestite! I like frilly clothes and women's undies!
Surferosad
10.29.04, 12:24 AM
And I look very fem in my 213 pounds! Mwa!
Wir-Click-Wir
10.29.04, 4:33 AM
Originally posted by joeinthebox1980
i think that mistrust and lack of confidnece that people will have in Wir-Click-Wir is enough punishment.
Thank you, Joe. Well put.
I notice someone earlier posted something about not wanting to trade with me despite never having dealt with me or talked to me outside of this board, and that's my consequence for lying to everyone here. Those who have traded or done business with me know that I'm a stand-up guy/girl, so meh, it doesn't bother my self-image.
And I just want to sincerely apologize to this community as a whole for lying about my gender. How I feel inside is irrelevent when it comes to the fact that I have male organs and lied about it? Mmkay? Mmkay. It was a selfish act that I should've corrected a while ago, I just kept digging myself deeper and deeper into it, and now I have to deal with your mistrust, which I deserve.
Well, I think that's that for me, you guys satisfied?
Originally posted by teleman
I would like to come on this board and pretend I'm Hugh Hefner, but I'm not, I'm Ron.
what?
Homer?
you're joking, right?!
no_happy
10.29.04, 4:48 AM
i know im probably gonna add nothing new to this... and im not exactly a big name poster or anything but i think alot of you have been harsh and over the top
dylans punishment has been dealt.... hes ruined his part on this board and has to start friendship and trust basis he build all over again with a number of hurdles to jump just to get back to being neutral
personally i can see why you are annoyed with dylan... as he was one of the most personal posters and i can understand why you feel mistrusted..... i for one couldnt care and i dont see why everyone got so worked up..... dylans posts have annoyed me for a while so i ignored them simple.....
jonnyload3
10.29.04, 6:15 AM
Originally posted by Wir-Click-Wir
Well, I think that's that for me, you guys satisfied?
Good enough for me. Youre still ok in my book
exit assasin
10.29.04, 7:13 AM
Originally posted by no_happy
i know im probably gonna add nothing new to this... and im not exactly a big name poster or anything but i think alot of you have been harsh and over the top
dylans punishment has been dealt.... hes ruined his part on this board and has to start friendship and trust basis he build all over again with a number of hurdles to jump just to get back to being neutral
personally i can see why you are annoyed with dylan... as he was one of the most personal posters and i can understand why you feel mistrusted..... i for one couldnt care and i dont see why everyone got so worked up..... dylans posts have annoyed me for a while so i ignored them simple.....
I think a lot of 'Geeks' are totally annoyed with him over things said in a personal context i.e. over AIM e.t.c. The fact the Dylan fabricated a character/faked his gender on a message board has little to do with it, apart from the fact that these 'personal' relationships were forged through the board.
I never really took him/her seriously, to me he/she was just another member. I hated the fact that a topic posted by Dylan would get a TON more replies than another topic that was far more relative to everyone here, just because everyone thought he was a bird.
paulandpaul
10.29.04, 7:24 AM
Originally posted by exit assasin
I never really took him/her seriously, to me he/she was just another member. I hated the fact that a topic posted by Dylan would get a TON more replies than another topic that was far more relative to everyone here, just because everyone thought he was a bird.
like the "naked pics of me inside" which had thousands of views. that was actually really funny though because it shows how horny we all are. ;)
Wir-Click-Wir
10.29.04, 8:06 AM
Originally posted by paulandpaul
like the "naked pics of me inside" which had thousands of views. that was actually really funny though because it shows how horny we all are. ;)
I was sitting there cracking up about it when I came up with the idea and created the thread, because the amount and nature of the responses were almost exactly as I expected.
I know, it was a pretty mean thing to do, and I'm sorry for playing off of reactions like that. I did get carried away with the whole seperate identity thing in that aspect. And not that you'll believe a word I say at this point anyway, but I was going through a pretty rough period of depression at the time that lasted about four months, so I wasn't lying or trying to get a fake emotional reaction out of that, I was just reaching out. Shouldn't have done it to people I was lying to in the first place, true. Didn't really think that through at the time. It's like...well, it's 3am, I'm feeling really down and out, I don't want to wake anybody, there are other insomniacs or people in different time zones who are willing to sit and chat with me for a bit, so why not.
summoner21
10.29.04, 8:14 AM
wow... you guys are making a big deal out of this... when someone lies about being a girl it looks like you guys (some of you) take it seriously. Whatever it (it being wir-click-wir) is, does it really matter? It still plays guitar, thats really all that matters. Cause really, your not gonna hook up over the internet.
and to wir-click-wir, this was not meant to help you or injure you, just to try to shut this crap up.
Originally posted by summoner21
wow... you guys are making a big deal out of this... when someone lies about being a girl it looks like you guys (some of you) take it seriously. Whatever it (it being wir-click-wir) is, does it really matter? It still plays guitar, thats really all that matters. Cause really, your not gonna hook up over the internet.
Well you said it....cos he lied.
I'm not too bothered really, and he's aplogised now.
But people don't like to be lied to. Especially by such a regular member who posted such personal stuff.
As I said, i'm not too bothered, but I can see why some people have reacted the way they have.
Motorhead
10.29.04, 8:22 AM
Originally posted by summoner21
wow... you guys are making a big deal out of this... when someone lies about being a girl it looks like you guys (some of you) take it seriously. Whatever it (it being wir-click-wir) is, does it really matter? It still plays guitar, thats really all that matters. Cause really, your not gonna hook up over the internet.
and to wir-click-wir, this was not meant to help you or injure you, just to try to shut this crap up.
Summoner21 my man .. you have grown :eek:
I swear something happens to geeks soemwhere around 1,200 to 1,500 posts.
TheGrinnan
10.29.04, 8:35 AM
Originally posted by Motorhead
Summoner21 my man .. you have grown :eek:
I swear something happens to geeks soemwhere around 1,200 to 1,500 posts.
Whoops . . .
Originally posted by Wir-Click-Wir
And not that you'll believe a word I say at this point anyway, but I was going through a pretty rough period of depression at the time that lasted about four months, so I wasn't lying or trying to get a fake emotional reaction out of that, I was just reaching out. Shouldn't have done it to people I was lying to in the first place, true. Didn't really think that through at the time. It's like...well, it's 3am, I'm feeling really down and out, I don't want to wake anybody, there are other insomniacs or people in different time zones who are willing to sit and chat with me for a bit, so why not.
Why not? Because it's extremely dishonest, desperate and asinine.
And stop copping out with the whole depression thing. It doesn't excuse your unvirtous and dishonest actions. There's ways to reach out without resorting to childish games and outright lies. I honestly do not get the feeling that you are truly sorry for your actions. You just want to make excuse after excuse. I'm sickened by the whole thing, I don't think I will ever respect you or trust you again.
paulandpaul
10.29.04, 8:47 AM
Originally posted by nobody
Why not? Because it's extremely dishonest, desperate and asinine.
And stop copping out with the whole depression thing. It doesn't excuse your unvirtous and dishonest actions. There's ways to reach out without resorting to childish games and outright lies. I honestly do not get the feeling that you are truly sorry for your actions. You just want to make excuse after excuse. I'm sickened by the whole thing, I don't think I will ever respect you or trust you again.
finally, someone is talking some sense.
Motorhead
10.29.04, 8:52 AM
Dylan, I think you're going to have to explain where you stand sexually. Was this just for fun or are you truly 'confused' sexually? With that said only open minded people will understand anyway.
Originally posted by Motorhead
Summoner21 my man .. you have grown :eek:
I swear something happens to geeks soemwhere around 1,200 to 1,500 posts.
i would tend to agree to that. i too agree that you guys are being very hard on Wir. and about not trusting him with trades----ive traded with several geeks all went smoothly!! and including Wir!
the trade went very smoothly. so i wouldnt say let this detour you from trading with him.
this is just a horrible situation...i know it must feel weird getting close to a person that is a fake personality.
Wir-Click-Wir
10.29.04, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by Motorhead
Dylan, I think you're going to have to explain where you stand sexually. Was this just for fun or are you truly 'confused' sexually? With that said only open minded people will understand anyway.
The latter, if you must know.
Originally posted by Motorhead
Dylan, I think you're going to have to explain where you stand sexually. Was this just for fun or are you truly 'confused' sexually?
You are asking if someone who allowed himself to be photographed giving head to a plastic statue of Ronald McDonald, under the pretense that he was a woman, is confused sexually?
Hell, that photo confused ME - I was confused as to whether I ever wanted anything to do with sex ever again :eek:
Motorhead
10.29.04, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by Wir-Click-Wir
The latter, if you must know.
Must!? No.
In a crazy way I was trying to help you but you're too far gone.
Bon Voyage!
Originally posted by ikkyu2
You are asking if someone who allowed himself to be photographed giving head to a plastic statue of Ronald McDonald, under the pretense that he was a woman, is confused sexually?
Hell, that photo confused ME - I was confused as to whether I ever wanted anything to do with sex ever again :eek:
Now, that was too much information ... now I'm creeped out.
joeinthebox1980
10.29.04, 2:30 PM
Originally posted by nobody
Why not? Because it's extremely dishonest, desperate and asinine.
And stop copping out with the whole depression thing. It doesn't excuse your unvirtous and dishonest actions. There's ways to reach out without resorting to childish games and outright lies. I honestly do not get the feeling that you are truly sorry for your actions. You just want to make excuse after excuse. I'm sickened by the whole thing, I don't think I will ever respect you or trust you again.
i completely agree.
as i said before, i don't think an apology from dylan is necessary.
he has to deal with the fact that he has lost the trust and respect of A LOT of people on the boards.
Originally posted by Motorhead
Now, that was too much information ... now I'm creeped out.
Just in time for Halloween!
intorvert
10.29.04, 2:50 PM
This situation is so humourous to just observe...
So many of you are reacting like you just found out that Darth Vader was really your dad!
Surferosad
10.29.04, 3:18 PM
Man, no one is taking my coming out seriously! I am a 156 pounds transvestite!
Come on, be offended! Someone!
Surferosad
10.29.04, 3:20 PM
Aw, come on, stop beating on Wir. He's down, he's been exposed, now he'll have tolive with the consequences... Let's move on, mmkay?
Originally posted by Surferosad
Man, no one is taking my coming out seriously! I am a 156 pounds transvestite!
Come on, be offended! Someone!
What? You're not Spock? I am deeply offended then. You've lied to us all.
;)
Surferosad
10.29.04, 3:24 PM
Originally posted by drl_06
What? You're not Spock? I am deeply offended then. You've lied to us all.
;)
I'm Spock in drag! And I'm 169 pounds of sexy, sexy transmama! Huba! Huba!
Originally posted by intorvert
This situation is so humourous to just observe...
So many of you are reacting like you just found out that Darth Vader was really your dad!
No, we are reacting like we should when we have been misled and deceived by someone we thought was a friend.
I really wish those that aren't effected by this on a more personal level would just stay out of it. No one knows about the deeper involvment many of us have had with Wir outside this public forum.
Originally posted by Surferosad
Aw, come on, stop beating on Wir. He's down, he's been exposed, now he'll have tolive with the consequences... Let's move on, mmkay?
Well .... Part of the consequences is that I'm not going to let an insincere apology and more lame excuses make up for the extreme dishonesty and juvenile games that have been dealt on this forum.
intorvert
10.29.04, 5:04 PM
Originally posted by nobody
No, we are reacting like we should when we have been misled and deceived by someone we thought was a friend.
I really wish those that aren't effected by this on a more personal level would just stay out of it. No one knows about the deeper involvment many of us have had with Wir outside this public forum.
I was offended and I barely had a relationship with wir. I only meant the comment as a light-hearted metaphor for the situation at hand. No disrespect was meant, just a bit of levity...
Clayton38
10.29.04, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by nobody
I really wish those that aren't effected by this on a more personal level would just stay out of it. No one knows about the deeper involvment many of us have had with Wir outside this public forum.
I agree... as I stated in the very opening part of this thread, I am extremely offended by the things said by him outside the forums... I just feel that this is a time for the lies that he HAS told here, to be brought into the light. The lies that have been told on this forum are childs play compared to the things that a few of us have had to deal with outside these forums... as Fiveways posted an experience that is frankly really disturbing to me.
I personally posted, because I think its a shame to see Dyaln responding in such an arrogant and standoffish manner. The whole "I owned up" way of responding is just another lie that he would have you believe. He was scared... plain and simple. Asked me(and I'm sure others) not to tell... was worried what everyone would think... etc. Its all BS, and to see him try and tell everyone that they "should have known", is just a cheap shot to anyone that had any faith in the words he posted on this site. Lies upon lies... but like most have said here, you have to take what some people say with a grain of salt. I know that some people werent affected at all, but pretty much everyone who was(even people who arent members of guitargeek) feels drained by the entire situation. The fact is that some people care, and some dont... and noone should exploit the fact that some people care enough to make an attempt to understand and even help someone... so I really wish that those who didnt care would stop making it seem like noone should.
Motorhead
10.29.04, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by nobody
No, we are reacting like we should when we have been misled and deceived by someone we thought was a friend.
I really wish those that aren't effected by this on a more personal level would just stay out of it. No one knows about the deeper involvment many of us have had with Wir outside this public forum.
Then you should keep it out of this forum and resolve this on your own ground.
Clayton38
10.29.04, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by Motorhead
Then you should keep it out of this forum and resolve this on your own ground.
With all due respect, I continued this so that people could express whatever feelings they wanted about the situation and not have it swept under the rug like it seemingly may have been.
I fully support Nobody and his feelings towards the situation... and as a forum where some of the few people he is talking about are present, I think its a fine place to express his dismay.
Motorhead
10.29.04, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by Clayton38
With all due respect, I continued this so that people could express whatever feelings they wanted about the situation and not have it swept under the rug like it seemingly may have been.
I fully support Nobody and his feelings towards the situation... and as a forum where some of the few people he is talking about are present, I think its a fine place to express his dismay.
I agree but you have to expect some intrusion into your now broken friendship ring thread.
Anyway, I also agree that I've said too much already ... so I'll sign off on this. Good luck sorting things out ... I mean that.
Clayton38
10.29.04, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by Motorhead
I agree but you have to expect some intrusion into your now broken friendship ring thread.
Anyway, I also agree that I've said too much already ... so I'll sign off on this. Good luck sorting things out ... I mean that.
I expect it, but I cant support it. I didnt take any offense, and thanks for the support... really :p
VillageIdiot
10.30.04, 2:30 AM
I'm still confused.
Apology helped though, cheers.
stratocaster83
10.30.04, 2:43 AM
Originally posted by Surferosad
And by the way, I'm actually a 200 pound transvestite. What, you don't believe me?
I belive you, and now I want a date with you, honey! :D
now, seriously: pretending to be someone else isn't a troll-like behaviour? I mean, think about the dudes who've done that before.
actually I don't really care if WCW will stay or leave (forced to leave), it just doesn't seem right to me for the other banned dudes, and it will be a study-case (there's a better words for that, which escapes me now in english) for the future trolls.
having said so, I trust 100% the HC and their decisions: if they think he's not to be punished, nor alerted, I'm ok with that. I just want to let 'em know I'll open 5 fake GG IDs pretending to be:
1) micheal jackson (gimme the kiiiiiids!)
2) zakk wylde (gimme the beeeeeers!)
3) jesus christ (gimme the faiiiiith!)
4) george w. bush (gimme the waaaaar!)
5) my grandfather (where the **** have I left my eyeglasses?)
is there any problems with that??? ;) (I kid, I kid...)
VillageIdiot
10.30.04, 2:52 AM
Originally posted by stratocaster83
I just want to let 'em know I'll open 5 fake GG IDs pretending to be:
1) micheal jackson (gimme the kiiiiiids!)
2) zakk wylde (gimme the beeeeeers!)
3) jesus christ (gimme the faiiiiith!)
4) george w. bush (gimme the waaaaar!)
5) my grandfather (where the **** have I left my eyeglasses?)
That is just hillarious... seriously...
Wir-Click-Wir
10.30.04, 5:26 AM
Originally posted by stratocaster83
having said so, I trust 100% the HC and their decisions: if they think he's not to be punished, nor alerted, I'm ok with that. I just want to let 'em know I'll open 5 fake GG IDs pretending to be:
1) micheal jackson (gimme the kiiiiiids!)
2) zakk wylde (gimme the beeeeeers!)
3) jesus christ (gimme the faiiiiith!)
4) george w. bush (gimme the waaaaar!)
5) my grandfather (where the **** have I left my eyeglasses?)
is there any problems with that??? ;) (I kid, I kid...)
At last, some humor! :)
Originally posted by Motorhead
Then you should keep it out of this forum and resolve this on your own ground.
No, it still applies to this forum. My point was that no one has the right to say how much I(or anyone) should care about this issue because they simply don't know everything involved.
Basically, if you don't know how involved this is and you don't care about the ordeal, than don't click on and read the threads.
Originally posted by Wir-Click-Wir
At last, some humor! :)
I'm curious .... You have deceived everyone on GG, you are no longer worthy of trust or friendship and yet you're still here acting all non-chalant and seemingly uncaring about those you misled .... why haven't you just bailed?
jacobhimself
10.30.04, 11:38 AM
**** em if they cant take a joke...
i didnt and still dont know wir outside this board at all... nor did i ever care to... "manic depressives" are not my type of people... i dated one once and she didnt care about anything but her own sadness...
wir - good job... you have really upset a few people on this board that i like and respect... at first i thought it was funny, but then i remembered fiveways offering to let you live with him... ive chatted about gear on msn once or twice with him but i didnt feel like i knew him... but he actually offered to let you come and stay at his place and sort your life out... yet you still lied to him and the whole GG community and for that i think you should straight up leave this place... ****...
i still think a temporary banning is in order ... the only way for wir to figure out if he actually does "care about GG" would be to deprive him of it for a specific length of time (i think a month at least) ... the fact that he can post as he pleases (and seems to have a non-chalant demeanor about it all) does nothing ... he could type some 10,000 word apology or record his voice as a mp3 for all to hear, and i don't think that's good enough ... the only way for him to be "sorry" is for him to not be able to participate on the board ...
If Dylan doesn't care, What good would banning him do? I don't think Dylan cares at all. Many now know where they stand with him. You don't have to deal with Dylan if you don't want to. Use the ignore function!
The one person who has real issues with Dylan and legite reasons for asking for a banishment hasn't even called for it. If you think Dylan deserves retribution simply ignore all his post.
Hey, any mods out there considering locking these threads already?
apocalypsecow
10.30.04, 3:37 PM
Dylan confessed to me about a month before this brouhaha, and asked me to keep it a secret. I did.
It didn't bother me, terrifically, and I think I understand the reasons why he did it. We don't talk as much, because there is a trust issue involved. She Dylan asked me personal questions, and I gave "her" honest answers, my honest opinion when "she" asked me for advice. I do feel duped but, like I said, I believe I understand why he did it. Perhaps some of you...embarassed yourselves...in conversations with Dylan -- I don't know anything about that, and that's between you. Doesn't mean that it's right or that I approve.
I understand the arguments for banning and can sympathize with them. Compare his posts with Skuzze's, and while the content isn't at all similar, when Skuzze was inflammatory, he was inflammatory beyond all reason, when Dylan has been untruthful, he's been untruthful beyond, I think, all reason.
I do not call for banning, but I think the HC would be justified in it, even though Dylan's contributed a lot to this board, despite his ill-thought-out calls for attention.
Instead, I think things like this should be worked out on a personal level, between Dylan and the people he lied to. Whether or not Dylan's *willing* to do that is another matter entirely. But I'll leave that up to him.
*Edit: Skuzze was made aware of my "inflammatory beyond all reason" comment, and objected to it. Upon reflection, i think he's right. The sentence has now been modified.
I believe everyone is in a backlash due to the fact that Dylan made everyone look like gullible bafoons. Gender shouldn't be that important of a foundation of trust, after all.
Originally posted by apocalypsecow
Instead, I think things like this should be worked out on a personal level, between Dylan and the people he lied to. Whether or not Dylan's *willing* to do that is another matter entirely. But I'll leave that up to him.
I don't think Dylan cares to. He is so wrapped up in his own self-loathing and pity that he can't see beyond his own sphere of reality. He simply can't see how such dispicable acts of deception and his concern only for himself when it's all out in the open won't gain him any ground. The only thing that can rectify the siuation would be a sincere display of remorse and concern for the feelings of the people that have been affected by all this.
But I don't see that happening, so I think Dylan should just bail from GG and do some serious self reflecting on what it means to be so selfish and how that affects the world around him.
Originally posted by Phreak
I believe everyone is in a backlash due to the fact that Dylan made everyone look like gullible bafoons. Gender shouldn't be that important of a foundation of trust, after all.
It isn't about gender. It's about being a self-serving deceptive liar. I wouldn't have cared if Dylan would have told me in person that He was a he. The issue is solely that Dylan chose to *lie* to everyone. And no, I think you are WAY wrong about people feeling like gullible bafoons. People aren't gullible if they trust someone just on the assumption that most people have the integrity and self-respect not to be so deceptive.
Perhaps I'm too misanthropic to relate to everyone else's view of trust.
apocalypsecow
10.30.04, 4:36 PM
Originally posted by nobody
I don't think Dylan cares to.
I hope you're wrong. But i highly suspect you're not.
Originally posted by Phreak
Perhaps I'm too misanthropic to relate to everyone else's view of trust.
I don't think it can be supported or assumed that most people are unworthy of trust on the most basic levels. i.e. that they are who they say they are.
apocalypsecow
10.30.04, 4:42 PM
Originally posted by nobody
I don't think it can be supported or assumed that most people are unworthy of trust on the most basic levels. i.e. that they are who they say they are.
By the way, did you get my PM?
Dylan doesn't care, he told me so in so many words. So now we can all resume with more important matters.
Surferosad
10.30.04, 5:19 PM
Originally posted by stratocaster83
I belive you, and now I want a date with you, honey! :D
Too bad you're in Italy, and I'm in Canada, eh? :D
VillageIdiot
10.30.04, 6:57 PM
What I do know is that banning isn't the answer here.
Originally posted by jcyphe
Dylan doesn't care, he told me so in so many words.
How pathetic ....... and very sad.
BlueOrb
10.30.04, 10:24 PM
Wait.....whoa.......
....whoa....
TheGrinnan
10.30.04, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by jcyphe
Dylan doesn't care, he told me so in so many words. So now we can all resume with more important matters.
I don't see how being screwed over by someone I took the time to help out because I thought they were reaching for a friend is not important. (Damn run-off sentence . . .)
joeinthebox1980
10.31.04, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by jcyphe
Dylan doesn't care, he told me so in so many words. So now we can all resume with more important matters.
it appears to me that dylan's reaction is the most honest we've seen in a while.
his reaction shows how much respect or care for the friends that he initially made.
all hail moltar
10.31.04, 9:21 PM
Originally posted by BlueOrb
Wait.....whoa.......
....whoa....
lol, lucas..
honestly, is this really that big of a deal? i mean, this is seriously about the first time i have disagreed with nobody. haven't you ever told a lie that just kept growing? at least he came out and said he was a he in the end.
Originally posted by nobody
I really wish those that aren't effected by this on a more personal level would just stay out of it. No one knows about the deeper involvment many of us have had with Wir outside this public forum.
Did he mail you pictures of his 'boobies'?
teleman
10.31.04, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by ikkyu2
Did he mail you pictures of his 'boobies'?
:eek: :D :p
Originally posted by all hail moltar
honestly, is this really that big of a deal? i mean, this is seriously about the first time i have disagreed with nobody. haven't you ever told a lie that just kept growing? at least he came out and said he was a he in the end.
No, I've never told a lie that kept growing. See, why this disturbs me so much is that I see lying about one's self in order to acheive the end Dylan tried to acheive as extremely disengenious, dishonest and repugnant. I'm not necessarily mad that I was lied to, what pisses me off the most is the uncaring, non-chalant and completely removed attitude Dylan is displaying about the whole thing. I mean, his lie went on for well over a year and then on top of that, add all the lies about almost being raped, the suicide threats and the endless pity-parties and what you have is an existence completely devoid of truth, integrity and honesty. It's disappointing that Dylan doesn't care that he is viewed in this way, he doesn't care that he is an uncaring and dishonest human.
scarecrowX52
11.01.04, 6:48 AM
Originally posted by nobody
No, it still applies to this forum. My point was that no one has the right to say how much I(or anyone) should care about this issue because they simply don't know everything involved.
Basically, if you don't know how involved this is and you don't care about the ordeal, than don't click on and read the threads.
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He is so wrapped up in his own self-loathing and pity that he can't see beyond his own sphere of reality. He simply can't see how such dispicable acts of deception and his concern only for himself when it's all out in the open won't gain him any ground. The only thing that can rectify the siuation would be a sincere display of remorse and concern for the feelings of the people that have been affected by all this.
But I don't see that happening, so I think Dylan should just bail from GG and do some serious self reflecting on what it means to be so selfish and how that affects the world around him.
I think the number of people seriously affected by this are few in comparison to the rest of this board, and that while the rest of the board may have had the right to know, I think the serious issues could be better dealt with outside of these forums.
I think "nobody" makes a valid point in saying "if you don't......care about the ordeal, than don't click on and read the threads", but then the same thing can be said to people who feel Wir should be banned. No one is forced to read or reply to anything posted by Wir, if you don't want him round, you don't have to interact with him.
I think the people calling for a ban are the people who had a more personal relationship with Wir, and that had more extensive communication with him outside the board. That being said I'm not sure if he has done enough within the board to warrant a ban. I realize the big personal posts he made may have made some people upset in light of recent developments, but I can't really comment much on that, because I intentionally steered clear of those posts.
I just think that if one can say, "if you don't care, then you don't have to read this", should also be able to do the same samething and ignore someone if they don't want to interact with them. If the HC decides it's the right path, then it will be done. If they decide it's not, he can be ignored, and if there are large numbers of us ignoring him, then he will likely leave on his own. If there are still lots of people who choose to interact with him, he may stick around, but you have the option to decide your own level of involvment. I just feel like this would be a better way to deal with this in regard to the forums as a whole, rather than campaigning for the ban of a particular individual. Let the mods do their jobs.
Sorry......I'm rambling again, I just felt like some of that ought to be mentioned, and with that I am going to try to stay out of this.
Originally posted by ikkyu2
Did he mail you pictures of his 'boobies'?
lol!!! nope.
personal /= sexual
thefobia
11.01.04, 8:13 AM
Some of you may have noticed that I have never talked to any of you (with a few brief exceptions) outside of these boards.
As much as I like this board and a lot of the members on it, I never forget that this is the internet. Anyone can be anyone.
I dont mean to offend anyone, but I would rather not form strong personal bonds with people, if I dont actually know who they are.
That would leave myself open to situations such as these.
This doesn't mean that I dont like any of you, It just means that I distance myself a little bit sometimes.
Im sorry Wir had to prove my point for me, as Im sure most of you guys are great people.
GG is public and moderated, unlike AIM or MSN messenger, thats why I use it.
Originally posted by thefobia
As much as I like this board and a lot of the members on it, I never forget that this is the internet. Anyone can be anyone.
I dont mean to offend anyone, but I would rather not form strong personal bonds with people, if I dont actually know who they are.
That would leave myself open to situations such as these.
This doesn't mean that I dont like any of you, It just means that I distance myself a little bit sometimes.
Im sorry Wir had to prove my point for me, as Im sure most of you guys are great people.
GG is public and moderated, unlike AIM or MSN messenger, thats why I use it. [/B]
The thing is, most people are who they say they are. It's actually a rare occurance to have someone so desperate for attention that they play these types of games. Of course, if you go to the more shady areas of the internet you'll see this more often, but for the most part on places like GG where the vast majority are well-adjusted mature people you really shouldn't worry about deception like this.
thefobia
11.01.04, 9:27 AM
Originally posted by nobody
The thing is, most people are who they say they are. It's actually a rare occurance to have someone so desperate for attention that they play these types of games. Of course, if you go to the more shady areas of the internet you'll see this more often, but for the most part on places like GG where the vast majority are well-adjusted mature people you really shouldn't worry about deception like this.
Of course, you are right, and maybe i should feel able to involve myself more.
I would feel comfortable talking on a more personal level to some of the more established members of this board, but until recent events, WCW was one of the people I might have added to AIM or MSN....
Dont get me wrong. In the real world Im a freindly guy, but when Im on the net, the cynic inside me is more prevailant, and for personal reasons, I dont want to be a pawn in someone elses mind game.
I agree with Nobody. I do not doubt the other people I speak to over AIM are EXACTLY who they say they are.
With Dylan as much as I like certain parts of his personality I always knew he was very self-absorbed so my dealings with him take this into account.
I don't like the way he's treated some of my other friends on here, especially since these people have done nothing but baby him. And trust me when I say that baby is the right word, when you consider some of the actions he has taken.
Dylan won't come around until he wants to, that is the nature of people who for the most part are completely ego driven. They construct the world around them. They don't take other people into consideration. When narcissistic people decide to snap out of it only usually happens when something affects them personally.
I wouldn’t look for a new improved Dylan anytime soon.
Originally posted by jcyphe
With Dylan as much as I like certain parts of his personality I always knew he was very self-absorbed so my dealings with him take this into account.
I don't like the way he's treated some of my other friends on here, especially since these people have done nothing but baby him. And trust me when I say that baby is the right word, when you consider some of the actions he has taken.
This is so true. I stopped paying attention to WCW after the last suicide threat. I knew from that post forward Dylan was a very desperate person. I thought she/he was either lying to get attention or just so self-absorbed as to have lost all self-awareness. I don't think I'll ever know the truth behind any of those situations, but after the recent events, I think it was all one huge attention-seeking lie.
One one hand, I pity someone so deperate and so pathetic. I read where he laughed when people were buying into his crap, but why is lying funny? It takes no skill to tell lies that people believe, it takes no skill to deceive the trust and goodness of other people. But to laugh about it shows a disturbing quality. It shows a complete disregard for other people.
I wouldn’t look for a new improved Dylan anytime soon.
Sad but true. However, I still hold onto the hope that Dylan will wake up before he wrecks everything in his life. People as self-absorbed as he is are a crash course to ultimate self-destruction.
alright seeing how this is a public forum...and you posted a public posting...then it is my right to say whatever i want. just like with everyone else out there that doesnt know exactly whats going on.
my opinion--if youre so animate about this subject to totally disregard anyone elses threads about trying to understand whats going on then you should really deal with this outside of the forums...why? well point given...you stated that you feel everyone that doesnt know whats going on to butt out of it. that doesnt make any sense bro...this is a public forum. i mean sure there are some nonsense posts but thats all in humor and hell they have every right just like you to post those types of posts. so i say if youre going to have a problem with someone posting humour jokes, and posts by those that dont know exactly whats going on...THEN you really shouldnt post here in the forums about it.
thats the only problem i have with this whole situation...you sit here and go on about oh its really affecting you and everyone should butt out...well then do us all a favor and not post about it to EVERYONE. thats just a breeding ground for everyone else to post. obviously you should have known that was coming right? after all we all do interact into each others lives very highly on this forum. so you just have to accept it that people are going to post without being totally informed...or you have to post in private. simple as that.
dont get me wrong ...after reading everything i do highly sympathize for you on the premise of what he did to you all. thats wrong i totally agree...(given the fact that i dont know exactly what went down--it doesnt matter) good luck guys i hope you dont take it too seriously and recover from this. i know it must suck but yeah you do have to have a lil bit of guard up dealing with people over the net man. its just not safe.
Originally posted by boovya
you stated that you feel everyone that doesnt know whats going on to butt out of it.
That's not what I said and misses my point. My point is that no one should tell me that I shouldn't think this is a big deal or that I shouldn't care about it. That's why I think if you don't care than stay out of it. I mean, I don't go into other threads like the one about the "guitar flip" and tell people to stop talking about it because I think it's stupid. Basically, the point is if this is not a big deal to you, or you don't care or it doesn't bother you, than why read this thread and tell others that they too shouldn't care about it.
well then do us all a favor and not post about it to EVERYONE.
I'm not posting it to everyone. I'm posting it to *this thread* so people who are interesting in this situation can discuss it. If this thread isn't of interest to someone, than they simply don't have to click on it and read it.
so you just have to accept it that people are going to post without being totally informed
I have no problem with that, but I do have a problem with people telling me how I should react.
Originally posted by nobody
That's not what I said and misses my point. My point is that no one should tell me that I shouldn't think this is a big deal or that I shouldn't care about it. That's why I think if you don't care than stay out of it. I mean, I don't go into other threads like the one about the "guitar flip" and tell people to stop talking about it because I think it's stupid. Basically, the point is if this is not a big deal to you, or you don't care or it doesn't bother you, than why read this thread and tell others that they too shouldn't care about it.
that IS what you said sorry...check out this quote from an earlier post...
Originally posted by nobody
I really wish those that aren't effected by this on a more personal level would just stay out of it.
I'm not posting it to everyone. I'm posting it to *this thread* so people who are interesting in this situation can discuss it. If this thread isn't of interest to someone, than they simply don't have to click on it and read it.
you sure are posting it to everyone. its accessable to everyone! thats what im referring to. and of course if anyone is interested they will click on it. thats just common sense.
I have no problem with that, but I do have a problem with people telling me how I should react.
thats very respectable in my opinion and no one should tell you other wise.
Originally posted by boovya
that IS what you said sorry...check out this quote from an earlier post...
I didn't want to get so literal, but you claimed I said "you stated that you feel everyone that doesnt know whats going on to butt out of it."
What I said was that those that aren't effeced on a *more personal level" should stay out of it <--- "It" implying that they shouldn't say how people should feel or react. Not that those that don't know what's going on should stay out of it. I'm sure most people paying attention know what's going on, but I don't think everyone has been effected on a more personal level.
It's my fault, I should have been more clear in what I meant by "more personal" level.
you sure are posting it to everyone. its accessable to everyone! thats what im referring to. and of course if anyone is interested they will click on it. thats just common sense.
All because it's accesible to everyone doesn't mean it's directed to everyone. An Analogy: Anyone can go to the public library and check out books on Auto Mechanics, but does that mean that the Auto Mechanic books are there for *everyone*? No, they are there for those interested in auto mechanics. The reason this forum has different sections and different threads is for those interested in the specifics of those sections and those specific threads, if all posts were directed for everone than we wouldn't need specific folders and specific threads, it would just be one long string of messages.
Originally posted by nobody
I didn't want to get so literal, but you claimed I said "you stated that you feel everyone that doesnt know whats going on to butt out of it."
What I said was that those that aren't effeced on a *more personal level" should stay out of it <--- "It" implying that they shouldn't say how people should feel or react. Not that those that don't know what's going on should stay out of it. I'm sure most people paying attention know what's going on, but I don't think everyone has been effected on a more personal level.
It's my fault, I should have been more clear in what I meant by "more personal" level.
All because it's accesible to everyone doesn't mean it's directed to everyone. An Analogy: Anyone can go to the public library and check out books on Auto Mechanics, but does that mean that the Auto Mechanic books are there for *everyone*? No, they are there for those interested in auto mechanics. The reason this forum has different sections and different threads is for those interested in the specifics of those sections and those specific threads, if all posts were directed for everone than we wouldn't need specific folders and specific threads, it would just be one long string of messages.
its fine dude...i just felt like you were trying to make it out to be like an exclusive type of thread. but now i understand. its cool....and i still disagree with the whole thing about the last part....about the whole analogy thing. cuz an auto mechanics book is for everyone. hell they dont go and ask you are you interested in auto mechanics?! before you rent it out. thats kinda obsurd dont ya think? its there for anyone.
btw i dont care...my biggest concern of mine is now resolved.
skip tracer
11.01.04, 5:00 PM
Originally posted by Surferosad
Actually, I thought Wir was actually a transsexual! I mean, without generalising, all his interest for the technicalities and intricacies of guitar playing was highly unusual for a girl. So I assumed he was a transsexual or something... Anyway, don't take it too personally, this is the internet. To me, it still not very "real".
You know, I thought the same thing: "she plays guitar like a guy," but put it out of my mind as being sexist. Ha! :p
paulandpaul
11.01.04, 6:24 PM
i bet wir is loving all this attention.
Originally posted by boovya
btw i dont care...my biggest concern of mine is now resolved.
Yeah mine too - I thought maybe nobody had gotten 'boobie' pics out of her/him where I had failed...
Originally posted by boovya
and i still disagree with the whole thing about the last part....about the whole analogy thing. cuz an auto mechanics book is for everyone. hell they dont go and ask you are you interested in auto mechanics?! before you rent it out. thats kinda obsurd dont ya think? its there for anyone.
You just figured it out for yourself with that last statement. It's there for anyone which is different than everyone. So, when i posted my statement I posted for anyone who was interested to read, I did NOT post it to everyone.
Originally posted by paulandpaul
i bet wir is loving all this attention.
+1
Good point.
... wait! Wir's a Guy?!?!?
;)
Woooooowwwwwww !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Having totally missed out on all this business, i've just read all 9 (yesssss !!!!! 9 !!!) pages of it, and i think it's just run out of drama in the last few posts.
So may i add my 2 cents to heat up the debate again :
I THINK TUBE AMPS ARE **** AND MY SOLID STATE 16-SPEAKER-FENDERSHALLBOOGIE-MEGASTACK PISSES ALL OVER ALL YOUR PUNY RIGS ....
ESPECIALLY WITH TWO BOSS METALZONES UP FRONT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ladies and gentlemen, let's rock & roll !!!
p.s. oh, yeah, and i'd like to thank WCW for convincing me to get a magicstomp, wether he/she/it is a girl/boy/150 pound transvestite-rock-and-rolling-moma-from-hell
SGROCKER0791
10.28.05, 7:10 PM
Wow...
This is way Wir lost so much respect from members. Well, he didn't post anything since early 2005. So, I guess he's gone for good.
GrungeGod
10.29.05, 6:27 AM
Why oh why did you dig up this old thread?
Motorhead
10.29.05, 7:18 AM
Originally posted by SGROCKER0791
Wow...
This is way Wir lost so much respect from members. Well, he didn't post anything since early 2005. So, I guess he's gone for good.
Digging up this thread was pretty insensitive. Many older members got caught with their pants down ... so to speak :)
michael-callari
10.29.05, 2:31 PM
Ok, I admit it, i'm a girl.
Blue Collar Man
10.29.05, 2:49 PM
Originally posted by SGROCKER0791
Wow...
This is way Wir lost so much respect from members. Well, he didn't post anything since early 2005. So, I guess he's gone for good.
Let sleeping dogs lie.
nyrkickazz1
10.29.05, 6:37 PM
:mad: :( :rolleyes:
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