The White Stripes = Beatles rip-off

[Ice age coming]

The White Stripes = Beatles rip-off! Download Beatles - I am the walrus here you can clearly hear where The white stripes gets the influence!

[Ice age coming]

ok i admit its wrong to call it ripoff but the vocal the lo-fi sound its so like I am The walrus...

[crumb]

The White Stripes suck.

New, old-wannabe bands are garbage.

i.e. The Hives, The Vines, The Strokes...see the trend already?!

:D

[daveyboy]

Man I disagree, have you listened to the Vines CD? It really is good. I do agree that there's maybe a little too much Beatles in their sound, but they do write some really good tunes. And Craig's tone is good too.

As for The Strokes, how can you even really group them with the rest of those bands? They don't have the edge that the rest of them do (although they do use the lo-fi vocals thing a lot). I think The Strokes are just a simple, mellow rock group with an Old-school sound. And their tone is also awesome!

Can you really blame bands like these for turning to a simpler style compared to all the crap out there?

I know I'd far rather listen to some upbeat strokes tunes than some dumbass wannabe tortured soul rapping about something he doesnt know about with detuned Ibanez's sludging away in the backround.

Anyway, just my opinion.:)

[joeinthebox1980]

well, one can argue that a ton of bands are "ripping off" the beatles. i mean, they were pretty innovative in their use of strings, their recording style in the studio, etc.

and as for the strokes, i think they're pretty legit compared to other similar such bands. i think they capture more of that NYC/velvet underground/drone-y sort of sound as opposed to more garage-pop like the hives.

just my opinion! :)

[Kid_BS]

Ok, I'm not crazy about the White Stripes but I don't hate them either. You have to admire a group that would record their entire album on a analog reel to reel 8 track recorder (heck one song was recorded on a 4-track I believe). At least you know that their songs are not overproduced and most of the sounds are legit (without the use of samples and digital effects).

The problem with a lot of bands these days is that they are spending way too much time in the studios using their ProTools to edit their songs and add a million guitar and sample tracks. How can they reproduce this sound live? The answer is they can't and they sound like ****, or they have to bring in a DJ or soundman to play these samples and they still sound like **** ;).

I like knowing that anything that I record can be reproduced live on the stage. It feels more authentic. So the bottom line is that I can't rag on any band that's at least trying to keep it real.

[TheGrinnan]

The White Stripes = Beatles rip-off! Download Beatles - I am the walrus here you can clearly hear where The white stripes gets the influence!

Well, the first time I heard the song "Get Free" by the Vines I thought it was a Nirvana song.

[boyecho]

get free a nirvana song? you are in space boy...

whatever. white stripes have some good songs. everything is a 'rip off' of something else wether they know it or not. let them make money how they wish to. maybe i'd make money if i ripped off the white stripes... hm.

[Wir-Click-Wir]

Am I the only one that recognizes that this is sarcasm?

[BlueOrb]

"ripping off" is a stupid term, so what if someone sounds like somone else, that means they have good taste, and if they are talented and write therre own music....and its good, then whats the problem?

[TheGrinnan]

get free a nirvana song? you are in space boy...

What I meant was that "Get Free" sounds like a Nirvana song. I apologize for not being clear.

[ben murphy]

Originally posted by Ice age coming
The White Stripes = Beatles rip-off! Download Beatles - I am the walrus here you can clearly hear where The white stripes gets the influence!

this of course leads me to the following questions...

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE BEATLES!?!?!

and...

WHAT, ARE YOU DEAF!?!?!

-a puzzled beatles fanatic.

[Clayton38]

You know, I don't mind the White Stripes or The Strokes a whole lot. i think they started the trend, and they are massively influenced by The Beatles and stuff... but I really don't think it's that bad. What I do think is bad is the fact that we are now seeing a flood of bands that the opposing record companies have bought so that they can combat the Strokes and The White Stripes. I think I saw one called Rooney that sounded ecactly like The Beach Boys! And have you seen the second stage for lollapalooza? I bought a ticket, and I like a lot of the bands playing liek Jane's Addiction, A Perfect Circle, Audioslave, The Music and a few others, but I know that there are going to be a ton of "Indie" rock bands on there. Funny, when I think "Indie" rock I think The Smashing Pumpkins and Gish.

[Twistedin]

Originally posted by TheGrinnan
What I meant was that "Get Free" sounds like a Nirvana song. I apologize for not being clear.
I'm sorry, but you are musically retarded.

[fiveways]

Originally posted by Clayton38
You know, I don't mind the White Stripes or The Strokes a whole lot. i think they started the trend, and they are massively influenced by The Beatles and stuff... but I really don't think it's that bad. What I do think is bad is the fact that we are now seeing a flood of bands that the opposing record companies have bought so that they can combat the Strokes and The White Stripes. I think I saw one called Rooney that sounded ecactly like The Beach Boys! And have you seen the second stage for lollapalooza? I bought a ticket, and I like a lot of the bands playing liek Jane's Addiction, A Perfect Circle, Audioslave, The Music and a few others, but I know that there are going to be a ton of "Indie" rock bands on there. Funny, when I think "Indie" rock I think The Smashing Pumpkins and Gish.

The Pumpkins are the killers of indie rock. Bloat psedo '70's Rock. Look up the term "Indie rock" on www.allmusic.com and that will give you a better idea on what indie rock is.

Wow....Lollapalooza looks like a **** fest. Where is the alternative in that? There all pretty mainstream acts, and not that great of acts to boot. I think I will sit home and see who comes by on the local bar/club scene. See some honest "alternative/indie" music.

[Wayjurn]

I think comparing ANY of these new "The" bands to the Beatles is giving them WAY too much credit.

[Clayton38]

I agree fiveways... Lollopalooza isn't at all what it used to be. Theres a joke going around on the net about Jane's Addiction. There are pictures circulating with Perry Farrel holding a big bag with a huge X-box logo on it, while the bag is overflowing with video game controllers and games. The other pictures? Dave Navarro, Stephen Perkins, and Perry Farrel all smiling and laughing while staring into a TV holding X-box controllers. There is a message board where you can directly reach Stephen Perkins... someone posted something saying "Stephen, I love you but this is gay"... that post was taken off the site a few hours later.

I love Jane's Addiction man, but I mean... I guess it's saying a lot about the state of music. Here's the Perry Farrell who took on major record companies with his album art in the early 90's now selling X-box's for Microsoft. I just hope their new stuff kicks ass. I saw two songs performed live in Hollywood, and talked to them after... but they didn't tell em anything.

Lollopalooza is going to suck... for the most part. But in 95 they made my sister throw out all her water and pay $5.00 for one!

[Jiff]

Vines suck. Have you heard them live? HE ****ING COPIES EVERY SIGNATURE POSE AND MOVEMENT OF KURT COBAIN! They also can't reproduce their sound live, he sounds like a sqawking crow, watch this if you want to laugh:

http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/exclusives/music/ls_ex_music_vines.shtml

:eek:

[Ice age coming]

wow, that was a really crappy live performance...

[wihaga83]

The Vines really suck...... they are just a shame to all Musician in Alternative genre.

Craig nicholls has made Kurt Cobain cries in his grave.

geez, i wanna shoot that Craig straiyght in his head !!

[skip tracer]

Originally posted by Kid_BS


The problem with a lot of bands these days is that they are spending way too much time in the studios using their ProTools to edit their songs and add a million guitar and sample tracks. How can they reproduce this sound live? The answer is they can't and they sound like ****, or they have to bring in a DJ or soundman to play these samples and they still sound like **** ;).

I like knowing that anything that I record can be reproduced live on the stage. It feels more authentic. So the bottom line is that I can't rag on any band that's at least trying to keep it real.

I prefer to record huge beasts of songs, with things constantly going on in each ear, in the foreground and background. The whole thing isn't given away in one listen. The music could serve as background music, but if the listener chose to really listen, they'd hear something new every time that they didn't notice before. How can I reproduce something like that live? The answer is, I can't. And I won't even try. The album is one thing, the show is something else. If I was going to just play the songs exactly as they are on the album, why don't I just blast the cd through the PA system? I see recording as something seperate from performing. With an album, I wouldn't be held back by only doing what I could do live.

You can even apply the White Stripes to this example. On there new single, there's a bass and two guitars. But the band only has one guitar player. They can't reproduce it live, so they just do it differently. Its not such a terrible thing.

I don't understand how the White Stripes ever got famous. I saw them about two years ago, opening for Sleater-Kinney, and they were downright awful. The drummer couldn't keep a beat to save her life, the guitar was always out of tune, and thank god I was too close to the stage to hear the vocals. All I could think was, "this is the band opening for Sleater-Kinney? They are terrible!" If those two bands went on tour together today, the White Stripes would be the headliner, when S-K are so much better! At least their drummer can play.

I know its all because they've shoved "nu-metal" down our throats for so long, its time to try something different, but there are so many bands doing something similar that are so much better. Erase Errata, The Rapture, Oneida..eh. There's no use in complaining about that.

[Dead Intellect]

I also found the Vines to be quite humerous.. More so their guitarist. I remember seeing them play during a MTV award show, afterwhich, Craig started to smash his guitar.... into the back of the drummer's legs!

Who in their -right- mind would EVER bash their own drummer in the back of the leg with a guitar ?

Then I remember reading about another concert, where the bass player broke a string, and Craig like bashed a microphone in his face for it?? Or something to that extent?

As for their similarities to Nirvana, yea it's present. They were definatly influenced by them, if they say they were'nt, they'd be lying. You can't deny the fact that they do sound like them in Get Free atleast anyways.

This band will prolly be forgotten about by the time the new year rolls around.. well hopefully anyways.

[Anders]

all these bands like the Hives, the Vines and the White Stripes are just pure antidotes of nu-metal.

It's just two extremes, you have nu-metal on one side with their showing off with all the technology money can buy. I mean, look at any Linkin Park or POD video.

And then you have bands who try to wake the 60's back to life, with very much emphasis on making an album as lo-fi as possible.

These two extremes will align each other. Wait and see.

[joeinthebox1980]

Originally posted by ben murphy
this of course leads me to the following questions...

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE BEATLES!?!?!

and...

WHAT, ARE YOU DEAF!?!?!

-a puzzled beatles fanatic.

the vines are apparently HUGE beatles fans. in fact, i think they did a cover of "i'm only sleeping"

a decent cover... although, it just made me want to listen to the original.

but some influences are there. ozzy osbourne is a huge beatles fan too... and if you play some of his songs on a piano or an acoustic, you can hear those influences.

[Clayton38]

I agree with Anders. I think Nu- metal emerged out of the teen-pop scene ala Nsync and Britney Spears... so it's only fitting that Nu-metal will be killed by bands that do the complete opposite of what they do.

[themadnote]

i think jack white's (white stripes) voice is very led zeppelinish.

not a whole lot, but in general.

[rocknroll321]

I actually own all these bands albums and appreciate them for what they are. If they are "ripping off" some band from the 50's, 60's 70's or whatever thats great cause that is the time when rock music was good. As soon as the 80's came along you had a bunch of wankers going on about how they play real fast and technical. Who really wants that! If you've ever heard the song Eagle Rock by Ross Wilson, Ross Wilson's band Daddy Cool were playing a a gig where their was all this technical playing extended solos etc and Daddy Cool came out with some songs that everyone could dance to. What was the effect of their songs? People got up and started dancing and enjoying the music. As appossed to standing around and listening to some person play some repetitive solo.

Dont get me wrong I appreciate the technical side but believe if a song makes me want to dance and isn't just the same riff over and over again it's still an okay song.

[rocknroll321]

Originally posted by Clayton38
I agree with Anders. I think Nu- metal emerged out of the teen-pop scene ala Nsync and Britney Spears... so it's only fitting that Nu-metal will be killed by bands that do the complete opposite of what they do.

I think Nu Metal bands are nearly dead anyway.

[stratocaster83]

Originally posted by Ice age coming
The White Stripes = Beatles rip-off! Download Beatles - I am the walrus here you can clearly hear where The white stripes gets the influence!

hey little dude, listen to the yardbirds and a) you'll get where the white stripes takes inspiration b) you will know a man called jeff beck c) you will love him!!!!!!

I don't dig the white stripes, though I like the fact they're on all those billboards instead of britney spears & co.

[guitargeek 456]

Garage bands overview:-

Vines, white stripes- overated and mediocre

D4, The kills- wicked underatted

Hives-middling

(persuasive writing point 1) always state opinions as fact:

BUT THATS ALL OVER ANYWAY:

the late sixties/early seventies revival has been usurped by the late 70s revival (kings of leon, datsuns).

I prefer what the original wave was imitating, but what the new wave are actually producing

[guitargeek 456]

Originally posted by Jiff
Vines suck. Have you heard them live? HE ****ING COPIES EVERY SIGNATURE POSE AND MOVEMENT OF KURT COBAIN! They also can't reproduce their sound live, he sounds like a sqawking crow, watch this if you want to laugh:

http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/exclusives/music/ls_ex_music_vines.shtml

:eek:

Holy ****ing **** that was actually painful to watch, don't treat music like a job but don't treat it like a piss up either.

[hatters]

7 nation army is the 3rd worst song i have heard all year ( i cant actually listen to it now) IT HURTS!

[AndThenTheresMe]

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Ok. Here I go again, taking the opposite side and getting blasted. But here goes. i like the White Stripes. a lot. Sure, Meg White is a technically limited drummer, but it's nice to hear a band that isn't hiding crappy songwriting behind a lot of virtuosity. You can be the best musician in the world and still suck as a songwriter (eighties metal anyone?).
Jack White writes great songs. His guitar playing has become extremely advanced, especially on the Elephant album (see "Ball and Biscuit," "I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself," "Little Acorns") and besides that the songs are just great, bar none. Sure the whole red-white-black thing is a little weird, but hey, it's better than the entire band wearing masks or some stupid **** like that.

So that's my opinion. Whatever.

[idealflaw]

Originally posted by daveyboy

I know I'd far rather listen to some upbeat strokes tunes than some dumbass wannabe tortured soul rapping about something he doesnt know about with detuned Ibanez's sludging away in the backround.

Anyway, just my opinion.:)

A-****ING-MEN!

[kingfet]

I think the vines influence a lot from the beatles, but the stripes Influence off of a lot of old blues not the beatles, and I respect them. Everyband draws influence, o well.

[joeinthebox1980]

Originally posted by stratocaster83
hey little dude, listen to the yardbirds ...

yardbirds rock!!!

[hatters]

no... sadly skater boy comes in a close 4th

worst songs this year

1 Good Charlotte....boys and girls
2 That stupid Madonna song (its on the radio and tv all the f**king time)

3 7 nation army (da de da da da daa daaa) well done sir...how about a little solo "what ? you can't" thanks cos your a ****. (why does he dress all in red anyway he must think he is santa

[stratocaster83]

Originally posted by joeinthebox1980
yardbirds rock!!!

yeah they do indeed!!! did you listen the their last album under the steve vai labal (favourite nations). it is any good?!?

[Sean White III]

See them live and you will be enlightened.

[Sean White III]

Originally posted by hatters
7 nation army (da de da da da daa daaa) well done sir...how about a little solo "what ? you can't" thanks cos your a ****. (why does he dress all in red anyway he must think he is santa

"What? You can't?"

Thanks, 'cause you have no knowledge of the english language.

Now that I've gotten that out of the way, let it be known that you are completely closed-minded and idiotic. Rock n' roll is about the music, not the image. And the last time I heard, the last time you needed an intricate guitar solo in a song for it to be good was circa 1989. Get real.

[joeinthebox1980]

Originally posted by Jiff
Vines suck. Have you heard them live? HE ****ING COPIES EVERY SIGNATURE POSE AND MOVEMENT OF KURT COBAIN! They also can't reproduce their sound live, he sounds like a sqawking crow, watch this if you want to laugh:

http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/exclusives/music/ls_ex_music_vines.shtml

:eek:

wow.

that was horrible.

[VillageIdiot]

What the hell? That was crap.


Total crap.

[hatters]

calm down sean white III

you say that its about the music not the image....i agree

BUT THE MUSIC IS *****

[guitargeek 456]

zing!!

[joeinthebox1980]

i personally think that the white stripes are not horrible.

they have a great sound, they have a relatively unique style (yes, unique from the strokes, the vines, the hives)...

but, i think the white stripes get a lot more credit than they deserve. *shrug*

that's just me, though.

but i enjoy hearing their songs on the radio. i think they're fun. although, seven nation army gets old really quick.

[Jiff]

Originally posted by VillageIdiot
What the hell? That was crap.


Total crap.

Yup. Y'know I keep giving that link to people who think The Vines' album is so great and think they are so talented. Changes their views completely.

[stratocaster83]

Originally posted by joeinthebox1980
... although, seven nation army gets old really quick.

quickly? you know, it's a song based on a 7 notes riff, and that's all!!! it has lasted too much to be true...