Buying a new guitar

[zakkwyldesucks]

I've been playing for seven years and am planning on getting a new guitar soon. I've never really paid any attention to all the technical aspects of guitars in terms of the models and the parts of the guitar so I really have no idea what a P-9234823923niner923 humbucker is or the difference between a Gibson 3343-28232 and a 232232-2382, or anything like that. I've only had one guitar since, a Mexican Strat that kinda sucks, and the only reason I got it was because it was the only lefty guitar they had that was at a reasonable price for a beginner; so I really have no idea what factors in when you're deciding on what guitar to get. I guess the music I want to play would be broadest described as "rock" and I wanna be able to do cool effects with it and stuff, but I don't know what type of guitar fits that description. If anyone could just quickly explain how to go about choosing a model it'd be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

[Alecto]

Quick explanation? There is no quick explanation.

A few factors in choosing a guitar:

- Scale length: This is the length between the nut and the bridge. Strats have a 25.5" length, most Gibsons have a 24.75" scale length. The longer length adds more tautness and a tighter low end, the shorter is easier to play and adds a meatier high end.

- Single coils versus humbuckers: single coils (like on your Strat) are very responsive and have a clear, ringing tone that cuts through a crowded mix. Humbuckers are two single coils put together to eliminate hum (hence the name) and have a warmer, more powerful sound. They're not necessarily better than singles (guys like SRV or John Frusciante love their single coils), but are more useful for heavier applications.

- Vibrato versus non-vibrato bridges: vibrato bridges are fun for various musical effects, but take extra work to keep them in tune. Fixed bridges are easier to deal with, and you can do things like oblique bends (bending one string while simultaneously playing another) without notes going out of tune.

When choosing a guitar, go with your teacher or someone who knows a lot more about guitars than you do. At some point, have the other person play the guitar, so you can hear it from a listener's perspective. They'll also be aware of things to watch out for, such as neck twists and shoddy workmanship.

Some questions:

- Who are your musical heroes? Whose tone to you admire? Do you want to stay with your Strat? What's the rest of your gear like?

Stick around the forum for a while and learn about various guitars and their properties. Guitars are a serious investment, so you want to know as much about them as possible before you drop your hard-earned dollars on one.

[zakkwyldesucks]

Originally posted by Alecto
- Scale length: This is the length between the nut and the bridge. Strats have a 25.5" length, most Gibsons have a 24.75" scale length. The longer length adds more tautness and a tighter low end, the shorter is easier to play and adds a meatier high end.

So in other words, the longer the neck, the tighter the strings are at the top? Because one of the things that's bugged me is how much harder it is to barre the top frets of my strat, so I guess on a Gibson this would be easier? One of the guitars I thought looked nice is a Casino, and I know Epiphone's affiliated with Gibson so would the necks on their guitars be shorter, too?

- Single coils versus humbuckers: single coils (like on your Strat) are very responsive and have a clear, ringing tone that cuts through a crowded mix. Humbuckers are two single coils put together to eliminate hum (hence the name) and have a warmer, more powerful sound. They're not necessarily better than singles (guys like SRV or John Frusciante love their single coils), but are more useful for heavier applications.

So if I'm not a big fan of heavy music, I should go for single coils? I know a lot of my favorite bands play guitars with humbuckers on them, and many of them don't have a heavy sound to their music at all, so would this be a less significant factor than the aforementioned one?

When choosing a guitar, go with your teacher or someone who knows a lot more about guitars than you do. At some point, have the other person play the guitar, so you can hear it from a listener's perspective. They'll also be aware of things to watch out for, such as neck twists and shoddy workmanship.

My guitar teacher basically said "whatever feels right," but also suggested I get a better quality Strat. I sort of don't like the look of the Strat (althought I realize that's not as important as the actual quality of the instrument), and from what you've said I think I'd rather try another brand, but as you said I'll probably put off getting one until I know more about guitars in general.

- Who are your musical heroes? Whose tone to you admire? Do you want to stay with your Strat? What's the rest of your gear like?

I guess the two guitarists I like who have the most distinct tones are Johnny Marr and Kevin Shields. I don't know what guitar Marr played but from reading this site I know Shields played a Jaguar. My amp right now is terrible, but when I'm playing with someone else I typically use their's. The one I have at home is the one I got when I first started out and is literally the size of my computer monitor. I don't have any of those fancy effects peddals.

Also, I read somewhere about the "action" of a guitar being important, and that it's how elevated the strings are from the neck. What sort of action is good for what styles of playing?

[cubby]

The only thing I can tell you is to play as man different types as you can. There is a world of scales, woods, construction, pickups and you have to try a little bit of everything to make your own, individual sound.


You may want to change user names too - I'm not a Wylde fan, but I'm just sayin'...

[zakkwyldesucks]

My name is pivotal.:cool:

[screamingdaisy]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
My name is pivotal.:cool:

If your name is pivotal, how come it says zakkwyldesucks?

[zakkwyldesucks]

Zing!

[cubby]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
My name is pivotal.:cool:

It may, possibly, be pivotal to getting banned. It may come across as trollish - and it probably won't help you to gain many friends. I'm sure that if you asked nicely a moderator would help you with something new.

[zakkwyldesucks]

With the exception of saying Rush sucks, there's nothing remotely trollish that I've posted thus far. My name isn't overly profane or vulgar, really, and it's not like anyone actually likes Zakk Wylde so there shouldn't be much of a problem over it.

[theripper]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
With the exception of saying Rush sucks, there's nothing remotely trollish that I've posted thus far. My name isn't overly profane or vulgar, really, and it's not like anyone actually likes Zakk Wylde so there shouldn't be much of a problem over it.

i like this guy.

[Talent?!]

Originally posted by theripper
i like this guy.

You're going to be in a minority

[zakkwyldesucks]

'....and I beat him so badly, he formed an emo band'

Biography rhythm/lead guitarist in an industrial/hardcore bandÂ_



:confused:

[Talent?!]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
:confused:

Yeah, I'm a sarcastic git that doesn't like emo.

What's not to understand about the 2nd bit?

Btw, welcome to the boards, just about the friendliest one on the web ;)

[zakkwyldesucks]

Wow.

[screamingdaisy]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
With the exception of saying Rush sucks, there's nothing remotely trollish that I've posted thus far. My name isn't overly profane or vulgar, really, and it's not like anyone actually likes Zakk Wylde so there shouldn't be much of a problem over it.

No, but it's stupid.

Joining a guitar forum with the name zakkwyldesucks is about as intelligent as walking into a Republican convention with a sign that says "I have a Bomb" on your shirt.

Both are technically stupid and harmless, both will get you unwanted negitive attention.

[zakkwyldesucks]

Anyone who's going to get pissy over me degrading a guitarist as terrible as Zakk Wylde isn't someone who I'd likely become good friends with.

Edit- Notice how I haven't paraded around this forum making threads about how terrible Zakk Wylde is. If someone can parade around this forum with an "emo sucks!" sig (while being in a hardcore band, no less) I can certainly keep this username.

[screamingdaisy]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
Anyone who's going to get pissy over me degrading a guitarist as terrible as Zakk Wylde isn't someone who I'd likely become good friends with.

Edit- Notice how I haven't paraded around this forum making threads about how terrible Zakk Wylde is. If someone can parade around this forum with an "emo sucks!" sig (while being in a hardcore band, no less) I can certainly keep this username.

I never said you couldn't keep it.

I just said it would bring unwanted negitive attention.

Which it seems to be doing quite well.

;)

[walkidiotwalk]

I love zakk wylde and quite frankly im offended by your username.

When you become a bigger icon than zakk then you can bear that name... until then **** off!!!

Im so ****ing angry!!! i need to go cool down. maybe listen to some zakk wylde.

as for the hot rails i got one in my tele and i love it. but maybe an inconsiderate 10 year old like you doesnt deserve the incredibly helpful advice that this board offers.

[zakkwyldesucks]

Originally posted by walkidiotwalk
I love zakk wylde and quite frankly im offended by your username.

When you become a bigger icon than zakk then you can bear that name... until then **** off!!!

Im so ****ing angry!!! i need to go cool down. maybe listen to some zakk wylde.

as for the hot rails i got one in my tele and i love it. but maybe an inconsiderate 10 year old like you doesnt deserve the incredibly helpful advice that this board offers.

Zakk Wylde's a self-indulgent idiot savant who couldn't write a good song to save his life. He's a horrendous guitarist whose "shredding" impresses balding, middle-aged guitar dorks like yourself. He's no different than Ingwie Malmsteen or Steve Vai -- no one buys their albums for a reason.

The true irony here is how I'm apparently a stupid 10-year-old (I'm 15, by the way) and yet I managed to get you this riled up. If inconsiderate 10-year-olds can manipulate you like this you should probably seek help ASAP.

[RUSHFANnLV]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
With the exception of saying Rush sucks,

:eek:


:cool:

[zakkwyldesucks]

So anyway, if someone could further explain guitars to me that'd be great.

[VillageIdiot]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
So anyway, if someone could further explain guitars to me that'd be great.


I'd get a Les Paul with and EMG 81/85 set.


And possibly a bullseye paint job.



Like this one: http://www.nyrock.com/img/2002/ozzfest/zakk5a.jpg

(ignore the guy playing it, if you like)


:D:D:D

[nyrkickazz1]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
So anyway, if someone could further explain guitars to me that'd be great.

It's tough to say. What bands do you listen to/what sounds are you trying to emulate?

You mentioned Kevin Shields and Johnny Marr, neither of whom (As far as I know) were humbucker users. Humbuckers are typically *the* rock pickup/tone, as many rock users find anything else too thin/twangy/whatever.

What's your budget?

[ledfloyd]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
So anyway, if someone could further explain guitars to me that'd be great.


zakkwyldesucks: If were a beginning guitarist again (hmm... I still play like a beginner :( ...) I would get a Tele, preferably with a HB in the neck/rhytmn position and a 5-way pick up selector. IMO a Tele is the universal guitar. It's great for almost every style of music except possibly for some of the heavier metal genres (slap some EMG's in for that). You can get a wide variety of sounds that most other "standard" type guitars can't. With the thick neck PU to the bright bridge PU it can cover a lot of sonic territory.

everyone else: don't take the troll's bait

[RUSHFANnLV]

Are you happy with the tone from your strat? I know you said it kinda sucks but I mean, do you like singlr coils and the strat tone?

For a broad catagory of "rock", I would go with something with humbuckers for sure. Or the classic HSS set up. Get out there and start testing some guitars for feel. See what suits you best. Pickups can be replaced but feel is most important in my opinion.

[zakkwyldesucks]

Originally posted by nyrkickazz1
It's tough to say. What bands do you listen to/what sounds are you trying to emulate?

You mentioned Kevin Shields and Johnny Marr, neither of whom (As far as I know) were humbucker users. Humbuckers are typically *the* rock pickup/tone, as many rock users find anything else too thin/twangy/whatever.

What's your budget?

Some bands I like: The Jesus and Mary Chain, Joy Division, The Libertines, My Bloody Valentine, Pavement, Radiohead, The Smiths, The Stone Roses, The Strokes.

This would be the only thing I'd get for Christmas, probably. The guitars I thought looked cool were all around $600 but I think I could go higher than that.

[Talent?!]

Jap made Jaguar or Jazzmaster, not sure on the prices for those

Otherwise I'd agree with the Tele suggestion

[screamingdaisy]

The Jesus and Mary Chain Suck
Joy Division Suck
The Libertines Suck
My Bloody Valentine Suck
Pavement Suck
Radiohead Suck
The Smiths Suck
The Stone Roses Suck
The Strokes Suck

Sorry, just thought I'd act like I was 15 again.

When I do it, it's kinda stupid, isn't it?

Now, go look at yourself in the mirror.


:rolleyes:

[zakkwyldesucks]

Originally posted by RUSHFANnLV
Are you happy with the tone from your strat? I know you said it kinda sucks but I mean, do you like singlr coils and the strat tone?

I guess I'm happy with it, but since it's the only guitar I've ever had I really can't compare it's tone to others.

[walkidiotwalk]

Im 40? im your age!!! But ive cooled down and am willing to except the fact that you are inexperienced in such matters.

as for the guitar, stop bitching a mexican strat is a great guitar. try playing a ibanez starter kit for a year.

For 600 bucks maybe you should get an amp.

[zakkwyldesucks]

Originally posted by screamingdaisy
The Jesus and Mary Chain Suck
Joy Division Suck
The Libertines Suck
My Bloody Valentine Suck
Pavement Suck
Radiohead Suck
The Smiths Suck
The Stone Roses Suck
The Strokes Suck

Sorry, just thought I'd act like I was 15 again.

When I do it, it's kinda stupid, isn't it?

Now, go look at yourself in the mirror.


:rolleyes:

Yeah but see, I'm not going out of my way to degrade other people's tastes, really. I made my username simply because Zakk Wylde's music isn't very good and yet people are still willing to pay $3,000 to play his stupid signature guitar or whatever. I haven't made any threads about him, and the only reason I said anything about him in this thread is because someone else brought it up. It is kinda stupid when you do it, because what you're doing is different from what I did.

[nyrkickazz1]

I would go with one of the following:

Fender Telecaster Custom '72
Fender Telecaster Deluxe '72
Fender Jazzmaster (CIJ, used)
Fender Jaguar (CIJ, used)

[zakkwyldesucks]

Originally posted by walkidiotwalk
Im 40? im your age!!! But ive cooled down and am willing to except the fact that you are inexperienced in such matters.

as for the guitar, stop bitching a mexican strat is a great guitar. try playing a ibanez starter kit for a year.

but we cant help you if you dont tell us your price range.

The intonation on my guitar's really screwed up and I have to constantly get it set up, so it's sort of a waste.

And in terms of price range, my parents seemed strangely relieved that a lot of the guitars I thought looked nice were $500-$600, so I'd assume I could go over that but I'm not so sure I could go over $1,000 or something like that.

[zakkwyldesucks]

Originally posted by nyrkickazz1
I would go with one of the following:

Fender Telecaster Custom '72
Fender Telecaster Deluxe '72
Fender Jazzmaster (CIJ, used)
Fender Jaguar (CIJ, used)

Alright, thanks man. I'll check those out.

[nyrkickazz1]

If you can go a little higher, pricewise, look into some Rickenbackers. They're not everyone's cup of tea, but I love 'em and a lot of alternative players like them.

[zakkwyldesucks]

Originally posted by nyrkickazz1
If you can go a little higher, pricewise, look into some Rickenbackers. They're not everyone's cup of tea, but I love 'em and a lot of alternative players like them.

I just googled them and they look really nice.

[screamingdaisy]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
Yeah but see, I'm not going out of my way to degrade other people's tastes, really. I made my username simply because Zakk Wylde's music isn't very good and yet people are still willing to pay $3,000 to play his stupid signature guitar or whatever.

I only comment because your username, and your attitude about Zakk is rather intollerant of others tastes.

(I don't even like Zakk all that much, but I can accept the fact that others like him, regardless of my tastes.)

Besides, being intollerant to other styles and methods will limit you as a player.

Either way, if you want a good guitar geek experience, I'd suggest creating a new username. Most of the real Zakk fans will harrass you much more than I did should you choose to keep it.

[nyrkickazz1]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
I just googled them and they look really nice.

Here's a good page for all things Rickenbacker:

http://www.rickbeat.com

The best priced classicly styled models are the 330's. My girlfriend picked one up for me for $750 on eBay and it's dead mint.

[zakkwyldesucks]

Originally posted by screamingdaisy
I only comment because your username, and your attitude about Zakk is rather intollerant of others tastes.

(I don't even like Zakk all that much, but I can accept the fact that others like him, regardless of my tastes.)

Besides, being intollerant to other styles and methods will limit you as a player.

Either way, if you want a good guitar geek experience, I'd suggest creating a new username. Most of the real Zakk fans will harrass you much more than I did should you choose to keep it.

I'd probably be more tolerant of him if what he stood for wasn't so over-canonized and arrogant. The only technically-skilled guitarists I like are Johnny Marr, John Squire, Tom Verlaine and Jonny Greenwood, and I never want to be one of those "shredders," so if by that you mean I'm "limiting myself" than in my opinion it's for the better. Serving a song's way more important than just showing off.

And if fans of Zakk Wylde want to harrass me or whatever, I fully welcome them to do so. Unless provoked I'm not going to say anything terrible about him.

[zakkwyldesucks]

Originally posted by nyrkickazz1
Here's a good page for all things Rickenbacker:

http://www.rickbeat.com

The best priced classicly styled models are the 330's. My girlfriend picked one up for me for $750 on eBay and it's dead mint.

Awesome, thanks again man.

[devankdevank]

OMG, Villageidiot, I f***n' love you. (metaphoricly)

I actually laughed outloud when I read your recommendation for a guitar.

Nice.

[VillageIdiot]

Originally posted by devankdevank
OMG, Villageidiot, I f***n' love you. (metaphoricly)

I actually laughed outloud when I read your recommendation for a guitar.

Nice.


:p


I couldn't help myself.

[RUSHFANnLV]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
I guess I'm happy with it, but since it's the only guitar I've ever had I really can't compare it's tone to others.

Well then I would try going in the opposite direction and get something with hums in it like an Epi Les Paul or SG. Try them out first but to cover alot of ground, you'll need some humbuckers.

[zakkwyldesucks]

Aren't those more "metal-type" guitars? I'm not really into that. Are Casinos generally considered good? I think they have humbuckers on them as well.

[nyrkickazz1]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
Aren't those more "metal-type" guitars? I'm not really into that. Are Casinos generally considered good? I think they have humbuckers on them as well.

Casino's have P-90's are are full hollow, which means you may have issues with feedback if you're using lots of gain.

The ones with humbuckers are the Epiphone Dot and the Epiphone Sheraton.

[screamingdaisy]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
I'd probably be more tolerant of him if what he stood for wasn't so over-canonized and arrogant.

He's a metal guitarist. What do you expect?

The only technically-skilled guitarists I like are Johnny Marr, John Squire, Tom Verlaine and Jonny Greenwood, and I never want to be one of those "shredders," so if by that you mean I'm "limiting myself" than in my opinion it's for the better. Serving a song's way more important than just showing off.

It's better to know a technique and choose not to use it than to not know a technique and never be able to.

I spent years playing with your attitude, and all I got out of it was being able to write basic punk riffs that any 10 year old who knows how to powerchord can do. Now, I try and learn everything. The more words you know, the better your storys will be. Same goes for notes in a song.

There's more to technique than playing mindless shred.

And if fans of Zakk Wylde want to harrass me or whatever, I fully welcome them to do so. Unless provoked I'm not going to say anything terrible about him.

Take a look at your username. You already did.

[zakkwyldesucks]

Originally posted by screamingdaisy
He's a metal guitarist. What do you expect?

Which is why I don't like any metal at all.



It's better to know a technique and choose not to use it than to not know a technique and never be able to.

I spent years playing with your attitude, and all I got out of it was being able to write basic punk riffs that any 10 year old who knows how to powerchord can do. Now, I try and learn everything. The more words you know, the better your storys will be. Same goes for notes in a song.

And those basic punk riffs tend to sound a lot better than anything Zakk Wylde could play. Just because something's difficult doesn't mean it's good; in most cases it's the total opposite. Kevin Shields said that his favorite guitarist growing up was Johnny Ramone, and that all he ever wanted to be able to do, and all he was really able to do was play simple power chords like him. In terms of technical skill Zakk Wylde kills him, but in my eyes Shields is by far the better guitarist.

There's more to technique than playing mindless shred.

I realize this, which is why I said that some of my favorite guitarists have good technique. It's just in most cases that technically great guitar players become way too self-indulgent and their music is substantially worse than guitar players who barely know what they're doing.

Take a look at your username. You already did.

I'm allowed to voice my opinion, you know.

Edit- And for the record I'm actually a fairly good guitar player. I've never actually seen him just flat out jam, but from the looks of it I could arguably be a better guitarist than Kevin Shields himself, technically, but that will never change the fact that I'll probably never make an album as good as Loveless ever.

[screamingdaisy]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
I'm allowed to voice my opinion, you know.

So, you're a hypocrite?

[zakkwyldesucks]

Originally posted by screamingdaisy
So, you're a hypocrite?

No. I can have an opinion and not constantly badger people with it, and if we could both drop the subject of my user name there'd probably be no speaking of Zakk Wylde on my part.

And on another note, not to stereotype people, but most fans of Zakk Wylde, or any of those sort of guitar wanker-types tend to be arrogant themselves and condescending towards musicians who aren't as technically skilled, as well as blinded by the technical skill of others regardless of whether or not they could actually write a song.

[Majin GeoDooD]

Don't talk **** about Zakk Wylde until you've listened to his acoustic work as well, I can almost guarantee you that a single acoustic song of Zakk's is better than an entire album of some of the stuff you listen to.

Oh wait, now I sound like an arrogant metal guitarist, don't wanna go doing that!

[screamingdaisy]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
No. I can have an opinion and not constantly badger people with it, and if we could both drop the subject of my user name there'd probably be no speaking of Zakk Wylde on my part.

And on another note, not to stereotype people, but most fans of Zakk Wylde, or any of those sort of guitar wanker-types tend to be arrogant themselves and condescending towards musicians who aren't as technically skilled, as well as blinded by the technical skill of others regardless of whether or not they could actually write a song.

On another note, not to stereotype people, but most fans of Johnny Ramone (to pull a name out of my ass), or any of those sort of chord wanker-types tend to be arrogant themselves and condescending towards musicians who aren't as technically "free", as well as blinded by the technical skill of others regardless of whether or not they could actually write a song.

Like I said, you're a hypocrite.

[cubby]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
No. I can have an opinion and not constantly badger people with it, and if we could both drop the subject of my user name there'd probably be no speaking of Zakk Wylde on my part.

And on another note, not to stereotype people, but most fans of Zakk Wylde, or any of those sort of guitar wanker-types tend to be arrogant themselves and condescending towards musicians who aren't as technically skilled, as well as blinded by the technical skill of others regardless of whether or not they could actually write a song.

You know - the hypocrite hole you are digging is only getting deeper and it might never have happened if you had not chosen a user name that is designed to insight this kind of negativity.

[zakkwyldesucks]

Have you actually listened to the stuff I like?

[zakkwyldesucks]

Originally posted by screamingdaisy
On another note, not to stereotype people, but most fans of Johnny Ramone (to pull a name out of my ass), or any of those sort of chord wanker-types tend to be arrogant themselves and condescending towards musicians who aren't as technically "free", as well as blinded by the technical skill of others regardless of whether or not they could actually write a song.

Like I said, you're a hypocrite.

None of that's true, though.

[zakkwyldesucks]

Originally posted by cubby
You know - the hypocrite hole you are digging is only getting deeper and it might never have happened if you had not chosen a user name that is designed to insight this kind of negativity.

Nothing I've said is hypocritical, though.

60 second flood control's a bit much.

[screamingdaisy]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
None of that's true, though.

And your's was?

Like I said, hypocrite.


Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
Have you actually listened to the stuff I like?

Yes.

You know, most of the people hammering your user name aren't even metal players, and some of them are big into punk, shoegaze, and dream pop.....

[zakkwyldesucks]

Originally posted by screamingdaisy
And your's was?

Like I said, hypocrite.




Yes.

You know, most of the people hammering your user name aren't even metal players, and some of them are big into punk, shoegaze, and dream pop.....

Yes, mine was, since I've actually dealt with these people in real life.

And the "have you listened to the music I like" comment was directed towards the guy who said Zakk Wylde's acoustic stuff was better than anything I liked, and I'm pretty sure it's clear he likes metal.

[Majin GeoDooD]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
Yes, mine was, since I've actually dealt with these people in real life.

And the "have you listened to the music I like" comment was directed towards the guy who said Zakk Wylde's acoustic stuff was better than anything I liked, and I'm pretty sure it's clear he likes metal.

No, I haven't listened to any of it, and I haven't even heard of but one of the bands you listed, HOWEVER, Zakk's acoustic prowess is simply incredible, and as a fan of just about every kind of music (yes, including metal), I can say Zakk's acoustic work is better than a hell of a lot of stuff out there.

Whoa, run on..

[cubby]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
Nothing I've said is hypocritical, though.

60 second flood control's a bit much.

Hmm, let's see:

And on another note, not to stereotype people, but most fans of Zakk Wylde, or any of those sort of guitar wanker-types tend to be arrogant themselves and condescending towards musicians who aren't as technically skilled, as well as blinded by the technical skill of others regardless of whether or not they could actually write a song.

yep - that qualifies...

Which is why I don't like any metal at all.

that too...

It's just in most cases that technically great guitar players become way too self-indulgent and their music is substantially worse than guitar players who barely know what they're doing.

...

I'd probably be more tolerant of him if what he stood for wasn't so over-canonized and arrogant. The only technically-skilled guitarists I like are Johnny Marr, John Squire, Tom Verlaine and Jonny Greenwood, and I never want to be one of those "shredders," so if by that you mean I'm "limiting myself" than in my opinion it's for the better. Serving a song's way more important than just showing off.

Someday you'll learn that there are a world more of technically excellent guitarists out there. Check out Jimmy Bryant, Joe Maphis, Merle Travis, Richard Lloyd (I can't believe you would mention Tom Verlaine and forget the more talented member of the band) to name a few.

[zakkwyldesucks]

Originally posted by cubby
Hmm, let's see:



yep - that qualifies...



that too...



...



Someday you'll learn that there are a world more of technically excellent guitarists out there. Check out Jimmy Bryant, Joe Maphis, Merle Travis, Richard Lloyd (I can't believe you would mention Tom Verlaine and forget the more talented member of the band) to name a few.

Do you even know what hypocrisy is?

Also Verlaine was way better than Lloyd. Lloyd's solos weren't nearly as unique or immediately recognizable.

[screamingdaisy]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
Yes, mine was, since I've actually dealt with these people in real life.

So was mine, for the same reason.

If I had a dime for every no talant punk guitarist who knocks guys like Zakk Wylde just to make themselves feel better about being no talent punk guitarists.....

Zakk makes the music he loves because he loves it.

Same with Kurt Cobain,

Eddie Van Halen,

John Peel,

Kirk Hammet,

Tom Delong,

Ect,

ect,

e....

[zakkwyldesucks]

I'm a better guitarist than Zakk Wylde.

[Majin GeoDooD]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
I'm a better guitarist than Zakk Wylde.

Oh jesus, :rolleyes:

[nyrkickazz1]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
I'm a better guitarist than Zakk Wylde.

In what way? As a songwriter? Soloist? Technician? You play power chords better then he does?

[zakkwyldesucks]

I could definitely write a better song than Zakk Wylde.

[screamingdaisy]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
I'm a better guitarist than Zakk Wylde.

So.

You're attitude sucks.

You're arrogant.

You're condescending towards other musicians who's style is different than your own.

And for some reason, you have a problem with both technical skill and the people who enjoy listening to guitarists with technical skill, whether or not they're good song writers or not.


And you wonder why we keep calling you a hypocrite.

If you can't see it yet, you're truly blind.

:rolleyes:

[nyrkickazz1]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
I could definitely write a better song than Zakk Wylde.

We're listening.

You're right in Long Island...You can make the hour drive into Staten Island, come to my studio, and record it for free. Send me a PM and we'll set it all up.

But it HAS to be better then the bezt Zakk Wylde song i've ever heard. Which would probably be "Bleed for Me", because I haven't heard many.

[overdrive_zep]

Originally posted by Talent?!
You're going to be in a minority

-1

[zakkwyldesucks]

I can't drive.

[Majin GeoDooD]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
I can't drive.

Aww, how cute.

[nyrkickazz1]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
I can't drive.

LIRR -> Grand Central Station -> 1/9 -> SI Ferry, where I'll pick you up.

[Majin GeoDooD]

Originally posted by nyrkickazz1
LIRR -> Grand Central Station -> 1/9 -> SI Ferry, where I'll pick you up.

His next reply:

"My mommy won't let me go"

[cubby]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
Do you even know what hypocrisy is?

Also Verlaine was way better than Lloyd. Lloyd's solos weren't nearly as unique or immediately recognizable.

Do you?:

hy·poc·ri·sy - The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

You keep talking about how shredders can't appreciate anything other than shredding, yet you can't seem to appreciate anything other than your own shallow pool of musical tastes. Try not to be a hipster - variety is the spice of life after all.

It is my opinion that Richard Lloyd is the more talented, dynamic, and diverse. He is the one who can mold himself to any music style he desires. Verlaine hit his wall with "Adventure".

[zakkwyldesucks]

Hey guys let's all make age jokes.

No I'm kidding that wouldn't be very funny.

Anyway I'm not going to go all the way to Staten Island to record a song. I can record one here and it'll be very poor quality but still nontheless better than any wanking Zakk Wylde has done. I'll probably have it by tomorrow

[nyrkickazz1]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
Hey guys let's all make age jokes.

No I'm kidding that wouldn't be very funny.

Anyway I'm not going to go all the way to Staten Island to record a song. I can record one here and it'll be very poor quality but still nontheless better than any wanking Zakk Wylde has done. I'll probably have it by tomorrow

That's alright.

You gonna have it uploaded and all by tomorrow? I'm really looking foward to it. If I had web space i'd offer you some.

[zakkwyldesucks]

Originally posted by cubby
Do you?:

hy·poc·ri·sy - The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

You keep talking about how shredders can't appreciate anything other than shredding, yet you can't seem to appreciate anything other than your own shallow pool of musical tastes. Try not to be a hipster - variety is the spice of life after all.

It is my opinion that Richard Lloyd is the more talented, dynamic, and diverse. He is the one who can mold himself to any music style he desires. Verlaine hit his wall with "Adventure".

This is such a terrible argument. People have tastes and will naturally not like something. I don't appreciate Zakk Wylde because his music sucks, and to add insult to injury he's pompous and totally oblivious to the fact that nothing he's written is worthwhile. I'm not a hipster, either.

And Richard Lloyd never did anything like Verlaine's solo in "Marquee Moon."

[screamingdaisy]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
This is such a terrible argument. People have tastes and will naturally not like something. I don't appreciate Zakk Wylde because his music sucks, and to add insult to injury he's pompous and totally oblivious to the fact that nothing he's written is worthwhile. I'm not a hipster, either.

It's a terrible argument because you're loosing.

People are free to have tastes, and we're not saying you're wrong in disliking Zakk....

....what we are saying is that you're small minded, intollerant, and hypocritical.

[cubby]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
And Richard Lloyd never did anything like Verlaine's solo in "Marquee Moon."

You obviously haven't checked out his stuff with Robert Quine, Matthew Sweet, or his solo material. BTW he was half of that "solo" on Marquee Moon - that's part of the sound of that song is the intertwining of the guitars. Without that aspect the song would be very boring. Neither one was truly the lead or rhythm guitarist in Television.

I like Tom Verlaine but would still pick Robert Quine over him.

Originally posted by screamingdaisy
It's a terrible argument because you're loosing.

People are free to have tastes, and we're not saying you're wrong in disliking Zakk....

....what we are saying is that you're small minded, intollerant, and hypocritical.

Bingo...

[zakkwyldesucks]

Hahahahahaha.

You just lost, hypocrite.

Jesus.

"WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU'RE WRONG WE'RE JUST SAYING YOU'RE INTOLERANT EVEN THOUGH WE SPARKED THIS ARGUMENT LOLZ"

Valiant effort, boyz

[Majin GeoDooD]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
Hahahahahaha.

You just lost, hypocrite.

Jesus.

"WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU'RE WRONG WE'RE JUST SAYING YOU'RE INTOLERANT EVEN THOUGH WE SPARKED THIS ARGUMENT LOLZ"

Valiant effort, boyz

You sparked the argument, whether you like it or not, by registering with such a username. Whether or not you like Zakk, whether or not you think he's a ****ty guitarist, people out there like him, and anyone with COMMON SENSE would not make a username like yours on a board full of all kinds of guitarists.

[cubby]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
Hahahahahaha.

You just lost, hypocrite.



I wasn't aware there was a competition. My guess is that you are not th star of the junior varsity debate team. Usually the one who jumps up and says "you lose" is the one disqualified...

"WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU'RE WRONG WE'RE JUST SAYING YOU'RE INTOLERANT EVEN THOUGH WE SPARKED THIS ARGUMENT LOLZ"

Umm, you sparked it Mr. "zakkwyldesucks" and I did try to warn you ahead of time that you were just inviting trouble.

I am convinced now that we need to have a review for user names like the DMV uses for license plates.

[nyrkickazz1]

Originally posted by Majin GeoDooD
You sparked the argument, whether you like it or not, by registering with such a username. Whether or not you like Zakk, whether or not you think he's a ****ty guitarist, people out there like him, and anyone with COMMON SENSE would not make a username like yours on a board full of all kinds of guitarists.

For that reason, you're a troll.

If you came here to ask a question and get help or be helpful to others, you could have easily picked another username. But by picking a username like that, you knew you would piss people off and that's all you really wanted. You're just a troll.

I feel dumb for even helping you out with your question.

[screamingdaisy]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
Hahahahahaha.

You just lost, hypocrite.

Jesus.

"WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU'RE WRONG WE'RE JUST SAYING YOU'RE INTOLERANT EVEN THOUGH WE SPARKED THIS ARGUMENT LOLZ"

Valiant effort, boyz

A temper tantrum?

That was weak. I was really hoping for more out of you.

[screamingdaisy]

Originally posted by nyrkickazz1

I feel dumb for even helping you out with your question.

Don't worry, we still love you.

[ledfloyd]

Feed the troll.:( He's getting stronger. He found the Caps Lock key. :p

[cubby]

Originally posted by ledfloyd
Feed the troll.:( He's getting stronger. He found the Caps Lock key. :p

But trolls are like goldfish - if you keep feeding them they explode...

[Bennies]

Following this saga has inspired me. I want to change my user ID to "KennyGrocks". Now thats controversial!

[walkidiotwalk]

Me 8------>

zakkwyldesucks ->

Grow a pair man and shut the hell up!!!

im sick of this.

Apparently zakk is doing something right cause he uses 100 dollar bills as toilet paper.

wheras the best method of killing you would be throwing a quarter over a cliff.

probably a ****in rich kid. just buy a drumset instead and take your penis envy aggresion out on it.

Now look, you made me waste a great insult on you.

[EddieVanGeorge]

ZakkWyldeSucks, you need to realize a few things. First of all, you could really get help about your guitar situation from somebody that actually is a ZW fan, like me, but they won't wanna help you just because of your username. I'll say that you should just stick with a single-coil Fender for your needs, and then for the heavy MBV style distortion you want get a good fuzz pedal. If I were you, I'd get a strat plus or an American strat, which are both good models. Anyway, you come off like an ok guy, but you're pissing people off for stupid reasons. Even I wouldn't have done something as stupid as you have when I was 15. I was gonna say "I bet you can't play guitar like ZW," but I know it's not even a legit argument 'cause that's not your style; but you shouldn't be a **** just 'cause ZW isn't what you're into. I pesonally think the Strokes suck, but to each his own- I'm not being immature about it.

[EddieVanGeorge]

Oh yeah, I forgot to add something. I have to stereotype some ZW fans: Most of them could probably break your face, so you might wanna stop being an ***hole, just grow some nuts and stop acting generally like a prick, even though no one on this board can kick your ass right now.

[Bennies]

Originally posted by walkidiotwalk
probably a ****in rich kid. just buy a drumset instead and take your penis envy aggresion out on it.

Now look, you made me waste a great insult on you.

Hey! I play drums biartch : ) It's a common misconception that drummers have small willies, but If you've read Reader's Digest lately you will find that this is simply not true. We are just morons...

[screamingdaisy]

Originally posted by Bennies
Hey! I play drums biartch : ) It's a common misconception that drummers have small willies, but If you've read Reader's Digest lately you will find that this is simply not true. We are just morons...

What about buddy from Motley Crue?

[Bennies]

My point exactly. Hung like a rogue elephant, dumb as dog****...

[walkidiotwalk]

no offense to drummers.

just he is hung like plankton.

other drummers are hung how they please just him.

but whatever. What do you think if he told that to zakk's face? the weight of the les paul with those huge stings would be a formidable weapon.

so would his calloused 5 pound ham's he calls fists.

[Bennies]

No offense taken old mate. My girlfriend tells me I got a small **** every day.

Yes I do believe whatever testicles our little friend has would shrivel up and drop off if Zakk made this stupid post his business to finish.

[zakkwyldesucks]

A) if you think having a username like zakkwyldesucks constitutes as "trolling," you guys obviously don't know what a real troll is. If I were truly a troll I'd have done a lot more than register with this name.

B) Nothing I did made me come off as a prick until you guys acted like pricks. I thought I was for the most part nice until you guys got pissy over things that don't really concern you since most of you admitted to not even liking Zakk Wylde.

C) I didn't say anything remotely hypocritical. If anything, saying there's nothing wrong with not liking Zakk Wylde and then turning around and calling me intolerant for disliking him is hypocritical. You guys sparked the argument. It's funny how throughout this thread I've been called immature and yet, if you guys truly were mature you wouldn't even dignify my username with a response if it truly irked you. Also calling me a rich kid (which I'm not) and making penis jokes does little to help your case when you're telling someone to grow up.

All in all I basically dominated this thread, and had no intentions of this thread turning out this way because I had no idea you guys were this dumb, really. Like I said, there's a guy with a sig about how much he hates emo, and then another guy with a username about how much indie sucks, and no one has gotten on their case about it. Seems like a double-standard, which must be especially embarrassing for a group who are quick to call others hypocrites.

:-*

[zakkwyldesucks]

Also you guys are macho sexist pissants


bye :-*

[screamingdaisy]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
bye :-*

38 posts. :eek:

That one lasted long than expected.

Kinda funny being called a macho sexist pissant buy a guy who uses Zakk Wylde in his username.....

Troll bashing is fun.

[zakkwyldesucks]

I'll be back tomorrow or whenever I'm online again

And if that third line was serious you're pretty dense ;)

ta!

[Bennies]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
Also you guys are macho sexist pissants


What a lovely young man. We should invite him back someday.

[cubby]

I don't like Zakk Wylde - but lots of people do and I am mature enough to respect that. It's no different than having the name "johnnymarrblows" or "pagekillshalen" ;). I have a hard time believing that you would pick a name like you did without the thought that it might piss someone off.

If you wish to name yourself something more positive and add something positive to the site you will be welcomed - until then, adios...

[sirterrapin]

Why are we all arguing about this with a kid who obviously isn't listening or doesnt care? If he thinks all metal sucks, thats his loss.

Kid: Go to a guitar store and just jam on every guitar you can. Go to another one and do the same. Ignore the name on the headstock, the shape of the body, everything else. See what floats your own, personal(poorly navigated?) boat. Avoid salespeople, as they almost always try to steer you towards something. The only way to find out what you like is to play lots of guitars and see what the common features of your favorites are. A few basics:

Single coils: Lighter, chimier, more open tone. Great for cleans/overdrive, tend to get drowned out by heavy distortion.
Humbuckers: Higher output, chunkier tone, cleans aren't as open(but not to say any worse), take to distortion like fish to water.
Hollowbody: Loads of natural resonance, bigger body, feed back when amplified.
Stoptail/Tune-o-Matic Bridges: Sustainy, great intonation, solid, easy stringing.
Vibratos/Trems: Worse intonation(Floyd Rose trems hold the best) allow nifty bendings and whammy strikes, FR trems are a pain to restring. Don't let your dislike of metal keep you from checking out floyd rose trems, theyre fun stuff.
Remember that strings can be changed and action adjusted for next to nothing. Body/neck shape is hardest to change, pickups cost a lot, hardware can add up, refinishing is a bitch. And again, not liking metal doesn't mean you can't use humbuckers, tremolos, heavy strings, or zakk wylde signatures. Lots of good stuff bears his name, because no matter how much he may or may not suck, lots of people like his stuff.

[Alecto]

Voice of reason here: if you want to post on this board, zakkwyldesucks, please change your username.

And this is coming from somebody who isn't Zakk's biggest fan (don't worry guys; I'm not going into that argument again!).

What you're coming to realize, ZWS, is that Wylde's abilities/attitude is an extremely contentious issue on this board. People have been *banned* from here as a result of arguments over him. So, posting in here in with an alias like "zakkwyldesucks" is a bit like waltzing into a bomb factory with a lit match. ****'s gonna blow up real big. So, ZWS, you're more than welcome to your opinions but if you want to post here I highly recommend you change your username, ASAP. Case in point: you pissed off some otherwise reasonable Geeks like Nyrkickazz1, Screaming Daisy, ledfloyd, and Eddie Van George. It doesn't matter whether you're right or not, people will still go out of their way to pick fights if you keep that name. Not fun if you want to keep posting here.

I second the Telecaster suggestion. Try getting one with at least one humbucker (bridge or neck). Almost everyone you've cited as an influence has used a Tele at one time or another.

[Blue Collar Man]

Seems strange that a kid who doesnt know the basics about construction, scale lenghth, single vs hum, etc.... etc... can be such an ass to a board of hugely knowledgeble guitarists.
And make fun of a successful, well known guitarist. So much so that manufacturers have signature models aplenty of his.

Ah... the irony.

[Alecto]

ZWS, I'm going to boil my little filibuster down into one coherent statement:


THE NAME'S NOT WORTH THE GRIEF!!!!!!!!!


Capisce? :)

[sirterrapin]

Oh, yeah, definately check out a tele. The John 5 one is awesome, and it's available with a bigsby. One single coil, 1 'bucker, looks metal, but its hugely versatile. Plus I'd get a big kick outta you playing one.

[Talent?!]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
. Like I said, there's a guy with a sig about how much he hates emo, and then another guy with a username about how much indie sucks, and no one has gotten on their case about it. Seems like a double-standard, which must be especially embarrassing for a group who are quick to call others hypocrites.

:-*


My sig is supposed to be taken with a pinch of salt, it says nothing about the music, it's all about the attitude of the majority of bands/fans I know that are into emo :)

[BossMXRHarmonix]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
Some bands I like: The Jesus and Mary Chain, Joy Division, The Libertines, My Bloody Valentine, Pavement, Radiohead, The Smiths, The Stone Roses, The Strokes.

This would be the only thing I'd get for Christmas, probably. The guitars I thought looked cool were all around $600 but I think I could go higher than that.

Judging from the list of bands that you've mentioned, I
would suggest you get:

1. A Fender - a Strat, a Tele, a Jazzmaster or a Jaguar. They're all beautiful guitars, you just have to find the right one for you with the sort of sound that you will like.
BTW: I've had a Mexican Strat for 3 years and I'm still in love with it, especially now that I've modded the crap out of it. The Strats are truly universal.

2. A humbucker-equipped guitar for more "rock" sound - or drop in a Hot Rails pickup into the bridge position of your Strat and see the difference.

[BossMXRHarmonix]

I find the hoo-ha about ZWS's nick highly amusing and hilarious :p

[paulandpaul]

why do you guys spend your time arguing with a 15 year old troll?

[zakkwyldesucks]

Originally posted by Talent?!
My sig is supposed to be taken with a pinch of salt, it says nothing about the music, it's all about the attitude of the majority of bands/fans I know that are into emo :)

This is funny cause if you'd notice it's the exact same reason my name is zakkwyldesucks.

And while I realize most of you guys hate me, I still appreciate all the help. It's just funny how you guys have been more hostile than I have, and yet I'm the one who's trolling.

[Viking_Eyes]

Zack Wylde is a pioneer of guitar, he single handedly kept shredding alive for christs sake. Im not a huge fan but give him credit where its due

You are about as popular as a caribean band at a KKK meeting

Dont be an a**, change your name mate

[Alecto]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks

And while I realize most of you guys hate me, I still appreciate all the help. It's just funny how you guys have been more hostile than I have, and yet I'm the one who's trolling.

Hostile? No. Trying to give you some friendly advice? Yes.

[Talent?!]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
This is funny cause if you'd notice it's the exact same reason my name is zakkwyldesucks.

And while I realize most of you guys hate me, I still appreciate all the help. It's just funny how you guys have been more hostile than I have, and yet I'm the one who's trolling.


I'm not going to give you anymore grief over your name. I suppose the main difference is that (hopefully) it's obvious I'm joking about emo and it's not so clear with your username

[Lnsjr1]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
Anyway I'm not going to go all the way to Staten Island to record a song. I can record one here and it'll be very poor quality but still nontheless better than any wanking Zakk Wylde has done. I'll probably have it by tomorrow

I'm no math major, but I think this post is about 24 hours old. Got that clip yet, Mr. Lennon?

Proof's in the pudding....

We're waiting.....

[jonnyload3]

Maybe you guys should stop wasting your time with this guy, ignore him, and then hop on over to my thread and tell me about this Telecaster I found

http://guitargeek.com/chat/showthread.php?threadid=41972

:rolleyes:

[DavyBoy721]

Originally posted by VillageIdiot
I'd get a Les Paul with and EMG 81/85 set.


And possibly a bullseye paint job.



Like this one: http://www.nyrock.com/img/2002/ozzfest/zakk5a.jpg

(ignore the guy playing it, if you like)


:D:D:D


haha that's good ****.......but wylde is awesome.....not as much as rhoads was (RIP).......but still freakin cool

[Tripp]

I'm going to side with zakkwyldesucks because he does. The problem with Zakk Wylde is that he writes boring music. I write lyrics to the songs I record and the music, which is a major factor in why my music is more entertaining. On the topic of a guitar though I would buy an EpiLP because it has a good range of sounds that it does very well. It is not just a metal guitar.

[coffeecaster72]

Originally posted by VillageIdiot
I'd get a Les Paul with and EMG 81/85 set.


And possibly a bullseye paint job.



Like this one: http://www.nyrock.com/img/2002/ozzfest/zakk5a.jpg

(ignore the guy playing it, if you like)


:D:D:D

I think it might have been funnier if you didn't post the link.
Who knows, maybe he'd even spend time searching for a guitar matching those specs :)

[lp_man]

Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
I'm a better guitarist than Zakk Wylde.
L-O-L! Ah thats gold!
Originally posted by zakkwyldesucks
I could definitely write a better song than Zakk Wylde.
Lol! Bet thats a good chat up line...

Originally posted by cubby
But trolls are like goldfish - if you keep feeding them they explode...
Goldfish explode? Cool!

Originally posted by walkidiotwalk
no offense to drummers.

just he is hung like plankton.

Classic! That is the funniest thing i have read in ages (almost made me laugh as much as 'I'm a better guitarist than Zakk Wylde')