new metallica song: first impressions

[Welladjusted]

firstly, it's heavy as hell. lars is doing double bass again, hetfield is using baritone guitars. the song, st. anger, flows like an older metallica song with a non-traditional song structure, but unlike other songs with that structure in their catalog, this song has a real sense of urgency and a lot of intensity. however, the one thing missing is the guitar solo. there is no guitar spolo. granted the rhythm guitar in this song is pretty intricate and fast, but a solo would have been nice

[Garf]

I loved it :)

I saw it on Channel V here (which is pay T.V.)

I thought it was incredibly cool, will sound better when I get my CD, which I have pre-ordered...
I thought I was over metallica, I used to like them a real lot when I was in High school, but I read a review of their album from this guy who had heard it, soI pre-ordered it...then saw it the other day!!

very very very good :)

[Welladjusted]

i think there's more solos on the album. i hope anyways

[Clayton38]

I hate it. I think I posted this on another thread, but I think it's horrible. Lars is spouting out this generic double bass thing that I think Iv' heard done better by Nu-metal bands. As for the no solo part, well... there goes what kirk Hammet was there for. Bass part and rhythm part... not bad... but if you want to hear what it's truly supposed to sound like, go listen to Meshuggah. In Fact, if you want to hear a better version of this song go listen to Meshuggah.

But hey, thats just my opinion. I'm completely dissappointed. It's like Metallica's take on bands who were influenced by them.

[crumb]

Originally posted by Clayton38
I hate it. I think I posted this on another thread, but I think it's horrible. Lars is spouting out this generic double bass thing that I think Iv' heard done better by Nu-metal bands. As for the no solo part, well... there goes what kirk Hammet was there for. Bass part and rhythm part... not bad... but if you want to hear what it's truly supposed to sound like, go listen to Meshuggah. In Fact, if you want to hear a better version of this song go listen to Meshuggah.

But hey, thats just my opinion. I'm completely dissappointed. It's like Metallica's take on bands who were influenced by them.

Easily agreed. Anyone who knows anything or has taste will also agree completely. I sure hope the other songs are nothing like this one, otherwise, they are just tryin to make few (million) extra bucks.

:D

[Welladjusted]

i've heard parts of "frantic" and it's, well, frantic. they're going back to a more old school approach i think

[dead_and_alive]

its heavy thats without a doubt and unlike the whole go listen to meshugger , id much rather understand the vocals thanx , and yeah they are goin back to their older (80's) cataloge , the only song from load or reload they played was Fuel (thats from their 4 night warm up shows/rehersal at the fillmore). there are NO guitar solos on this album what so ever and kirk has 'lost his wah pedal'. , as for St Anger the video cluip if u loook hard enough you'll see kirk break a string , also on the sign in sheet at the begining you'll see james , kirk and rob signed in twice , and st anger the album is already platinum it has shipped 'well over 1 millon copies conservatively' a record company exec said and that 'demand is so over whelming'

[Yorik]

Come on lets face it. St.Anger is nu-metal. No doubt about it. The guitars are tuned down to B there is no guitar solos, the riffing even sounds like bloody slipknot. Oh and not to mention the double bass.

They are just trying to be down with tha kids, yo. :mad: lol

The music is alright, but I think in general that song was a bit naff

[hewesy]

Two words, cash in. Maybe they've lost it? I saw them on the metallica tribute concert, where Limp Bizkit and Korn paid tribute to their songs and they seem to have lost the spark. Kirk seems to have got lazy, OK so he could play me under the table with two fingers but he seems to have lost his edge in the band, not adding the counter melodies and solos anymore.

St Anger is a nu metal tune, its a shame they have to try and reinvent themselves madonna like to try and shift a few million albums. The sad thing is the fans will buy anything with their name on it.

And is it just me or does the bass player scare the hell out of you?

Heres to hoping they let Kirk loose on the next one...

[stratocaster83]

it sucks! you know, they're just trying to jump on the trend of the detune nu metal or however is called... this is not going to pay, that's for sure. they should have kept writing in the way of the "mission impossible" soundtrack...

anyway my point of view is quite weird: I do really think the last good track metallica wrote was "master of puppets"... I saw them live: they were really boring! hopefully they opened with "masters..."!!!

about kirk hammet: good player?!? uh?!??!? are you kidding?!? no solos for him: that's the best thing of the song!!!

[Yorik]

Originally posted by hewesy



And is it just me or does the bass player scare the hell out of you?



The bassist is cool beause he used to be in Jerry Cantrell's band.

He has got a pretty cool CV if u ask me.

Suicidal Tendancies
Ozzy Osbourne
Jerry Cantrell
Metallica

:D

[GDan]

I saw the video the other day, I thought it sucked, The riff isnt bad but the song is just...empty, its not really anything.

And I dont get the video with them in the prison. See the first guy, see his back story, went to prison for being a drug addict, see his girlfriend, see him looking sad, life isnt fair is it? see the next guy, went in to a store with a gun to rob it and shot the first guy who moved.

What? am I meant to feel sorry for this guy cause theres a shot of him in his cell looking sad? and it finishes with:

"To the imprisoned souls of san quentin, who will forever be a part of metallica."

Huh? Theyre convicts! pretty seedy guys at best, At worst rapists, crack dealers and serial killers.

[guitargeek 456]

Metallica are pussies , doubly so since they cut their hair.

[Welladjusted]

as far as the haircut thing...
james hetfield had his hair burned off his scalp after thay pyro accident

and are there really no guitar solos on this album?

[stratocaster83]

Originally posted by Welladjusted
and are there really no guitar solos on this album?

I hope so!

[Welladjusted]

i really doubt they'd have no solos. that makes no sense. they've done songs without solos before (for whom the bell tolls) but a whole album? unheard of for them

[hewesy]

Hey Yorik, I mean no distrespect to the bass player, the guy is amazingly good, and his CV is immense, but he still frighterns the life out of me...

I'd have him in my band for 2 reasons, 1 he is a superb player and 2 you would never get any trouble with this dude front left...

[Welladjusted]

rob trujillo is an amazing bassist. and a great performer. he has so much intensity

[jets]

i just saw the video on mtv and the sound qualility sucked ass

that was the worst sounding snare ever, it was worse than 311's

the guitars sounded real weak maybe it was the video, i dont know but it sounds like an ok song as long as metallica doesnt do songs like "stupid girl" and "swing, swing" its allright with me
also they are awesome live

the bass player is good and uses no pick (jason and cliff used picks )

correct me if im wrong

[Welladjusted]

yeah, even the loads were better than "stupid girl"

[j_stashko]

I saw the metallica video too, it was just okay, metallica isn't going back to thier old roots from the 80's, they are just jumping on the band wagon. I will say that it is damn heavy but it doesn't mean it is good, there is no melody just smashing the strings in a drop tuning, and lars's snare sounds like poop. The vocals are okay, but not the cool james vocals that we've come to love. And no damn solo, what the hell, Kirk isn't the greatest lead player in the world, but he is good enough to make a solo that doesn't sound horrible and fits the song. I heard that there is not a solo in sight on the new album. They are just trying to cater to the short attention spanned little idiot kids who can't appreciate real music and the thought and effort that is put into it.

[j_stashko]

Originally posted by jets

the bass player is good and uses no pick (jason and cliff used picks )

correct me if im wrong

Cliff never used picks, only Jason Newsted.

[skyneverclaimed]

That song is ****ing disgusting... he tries to sing... why?

[Yorik]

Saaaaaaaaaaaaint aaaaaaaaaaaaangerrrrrrrrooooohhhhh

I'm madly in anger with you.

The words are pretty crap too.


I "hit the lights" on these dark sets
the master of puppets is pulling my strings
i am the thing that should not be.

lol :p

[skyneverclaimed]

They shoulda jsut quit while they were ahead...

[Greyskull]

I may catch a lot of flack for this, but I don't really give a damn - I have never really like Metallica.

Back in the day it was all "fast fast fast" and "loud loud loud", and I didn't really like it.
Tracks like Battery and Fade To Black are greta, but rest just sucked.

I liked some of ...And Justice For All & "the black" album, and a few tracks from Load.

Their cover of "Turn The Page" is pretty awesome.

But for the most part, I am not a fan.

The new bass player is good though.

[skyneverclaimed]

I'm not a fan either never was, by saying quick while they were ahead, I didn't mean when I thought they were good, I mean, there was a time when they were ahead of everyone else.

[WishingHour]

the version i heard on mtv2 over here just made it sound like a vocals and drums song. i couldn't hear any guitars! ithe vocals were crap anyway, lyrically, and the drums didn't work by themselves. i dunno if its just a bad mix for the video or the mix was done by and a poorly trained monkey

[ThrghThseEyes]

I seriously don't know what happened to this band. Everything up to the black album (and some track on the black album) I think is incredible. Now they've realy degenerated into old rock stars who are just selling album's based on their name and their legacy.

They're old stuff is just so fast and hard, you can tell it was just 4 young dudes playing music they loved just for the pleasure of doing it. Even if you don't like any of their stuff you have to admit that the earlier albums had some kinda of ambition and youthful rage in them, now it's just garbage. And yeah I agree, whoever mixed that new song forgot that there's more than just drums and vocals, I had to strain to hear the guitars and the bass half of the time.

[Squire]

I have to say I wasn't very impreesed with St. Anger. Frantic was OK but nothing special. I dont know why loads of people hate load. I think it has so me great tracks. Aint my Bitch is a favourite in the band and Hero of the day is class. It seems Metallica evolved from AJFA to Metallica then again to load and reload. They seem to have done it again but I'm not sure if it is for the better.

Anyway all I really want to say is that if you dont like the new Metallica just listen to the old stuff and keep the head banging.

Cant wait to see em at leeds this year :D

Oh and with the icon thing. I dont normally listen to Korn but i thought they played one well. Limp biztkit were pretty **** alothugh I have to compliment them that they didnt just play the song but 'covered' it. Fred Durst was good on stage I thought unlike Avril. God, she is the worst stage preformer ever, just stood there like a lemon with her hands over a face like a hamster and jumped up and down every now and again. Oh well.
The medely at the end was pretty cool, nice to see them playing blackened again :D .

Rock on tallica

[Dead Intellect]

While it is nowhere near the metallica that influenced me, i'd still prefer to listen to it over some of the other crap they play on MTV.

When people reach their prime, that's it. That's why it's their prime, you must go downhill at some point in time. People expected way to much, or they are just plain looking for to much.

While I was dissapointed that there was no solo, or even a catchy riff. I can still say it's alright, I am a fan of Metallica. And I am not going to say they suck just cuz they're music has changed, I can accept change, because in our world, change happens everyday. Gotta live with it.

And on a side note. Robert Truijilo is pretty sick.

[300mhz]

I think the song blows. It's no where close to a Metallica song that I'd like to steal from a file sharing program. It really sucks and it sounds unproduced.

[Clayton38]

I don't know if I'm going to get my ass handed to me on a platter for this, but I really miss the stuff they were doing on Load. I really enjoyed that CD... and when someone mentioned Aint my Bitch and Hero of the Day, it just kinda makes me sad. I think Metallica did some awesome stuff with Load and the S&M thing... and it kinda seemed like they were getting into the whole "Well, were getting older, and this is what we want to regardless of the people who like the old stuff"... but man, this just killed it. Now Load, that was great with "The House that Jack Built" and "Outlaw Torn"... that slide solo on "Ain't my Bitch". I'm gonna listen to that right now and mourn.

[Welladjusted]

yeah., call me crazy but my favorite metallica tunes are eithe rballad-ish or from the bob rock albums. so sanitarium, unforgiven, fade to black, one, until i sleeps, bleeding me, minus human, and of course... master of puppets

[wihaga83]

i love metallica pre-94

now, they look a bit inconsistent.

[fishy17]

I think the new song is ok at best. maybe it will grow on me some... I love the old stuff. When I got master. I listened to it for like 3 months straight, never took it out of the tape deck!
I do want to hear the whole new album before I decide that they sold out though.... maybe they just chose a bad song to release first.....

[Welladjusted]

the new song has some good moments, but some suck. like the clean guitar parts don't fit with the song as well

[ClemencyThis!Ry]

Having just heard the song about a half hour ago...here is my take on Metallica.

It's really sad to see a band that defined metal for so many years, that changed the face of the entire genre, give in to todays trends instead of being the inovators they were.

I think that for years metallica have put out very solid music, even some stuff on load was good (although the first 4 albums are by far the best in the world). Plus i think many can agree that master of puppets is the quintissential metal song.

It sounds to me that after a HUGE hiatus, the boys went for hit material. I hate bands that do this. The parts simply don't fit together well. It sounds like they're trying way too hard. There's a big difference between a well written song, and simply slapping together a "hit" song to please a new, young audience.

Metallica, you are a better band than this.

[Mr. Slippery]

The version of the song i heard barely had any guitar in it. Im just hoping that was a bad edit or something.

All drums and vocals do not a good song make. Especially a heavy metal song.

[VillageIdiot]

Originally posted by Mr. Slippery
The version of the song i heard barely had any guitar in it. Im just hoping that was a bad edit or something.

I don't think so eh...

The version I heard was badly mixed- the drums stomped over everything. I don't know what the hell the mixer was thinking eh, or how Bob Rock let it slip through like that...

[Dead Intellect]

Metallica sold out a long time ago.. some of their fans considered them sellouts the minute they made their first music video.

[NovaHawk]

I'm with Greyskull on this, I never really liked them, nor liked Pantera... from the very beginning.

Plus it didn't help their case with my opinion when they started attacking MP3s and napster.

[skyneverclaimed]

Originally posted by NovaHawk
Plus it didn't help their case with my opinion when they started attacking MP3s and napster.

AMEN so much.

[Welladjusted]

Originally posted by Dead Intellect
Metallica sold out a long time ago.. some of their fans considered them sellouts the minute they made their first music video.

they couldn't be pissed off teenagers forever though. that would be hell on the mind and soul

[Crash]

I was driving around last night when I heard it for the first time, I think I can pretty much sum up my reaction by the fact that I actually said:

"I think I'd rather be listening to a Korn song"

Now, to be fair a Korn song did come on afterwards and I said nevermind the Metallica song was still better than this **** but still, the new song is awful. The only part I almost liked was about the last 2 bars of the song, it started getting half decent in time to end the song. The song just didn't seem to mesh together, it seemed to jump from one thing to the next with no transistions between them.

[Ryan_77uk]

Just heard some clips from St. Anger and it sounds to me like someone else said... they're all trying too hard. I think Kirk, James, Lars and Bob Rock have all got out of their depth. Maybe it sounds sh:t coz its streaming.

It's quite funny. Its like my Dad having a crack at Nu-metal. It's all very well Metallica making an album for the MTV kids but those kids are very very fickle and won't even wear their St. Anger t-shirts in 2 years. Metallica will have lost respect from their old fans for this ****ty (poor) nu-metal.

[guitargeek 456]

The drum production is just awful too, and the song structure, theres not even a real riff never mind solo