Modern Music.

[fiveways]

Am I the only one around here that listens to no commerical music? I read polls and comments upon comments about Billy Corgan, Metalica, Tool, Radiohead, and Tom Morello and am starting to feel very lonely on this board.....

Does anyone out there agree with me that there is nothing worth listening to on the radio? That music video's hurt their brains? Am I the only one who listen to pretty much 100% minor label bands? Does anyone out there seriously listen to Jazz other then me? How about none guitar fields like Noise, Ambient, and Classical?

[skyneverclaimed]

Originally posted by FiveWays
Am I the only one around here that listens to no commerical music? I read polls and comments upon comments about Billy Corgan, Metalica, Tool, Radiohead, and Tom Morello and am starting to feel very lonely on this board.....

Does anyone out there agree with me that there is nothing worth listening to on the radio? That music video's hurt their brains? Am I the only one who listen to pretty much 100% minor label bands? Does anyone out there seriously listen to Jazz other then me? How about none guitar fields like Noise, Ambient, and Classical?

I never listen to the radio... I just download illegal music because i'm the devil

[fiveways]

Originally posted by skyneverclaimed
I never listen to the radio... I just download illegal music because i'm the devil

i'm evil like that too. I download at least a album a day. I suck.

[skyneverclaimed]

Originally posted by FiveWays
i'm evil like that too. I download at least a album a day. I suck.

At least we're not alone, haha

[johnny]

the radio is pretty ****ty, occasionally an underground band will break through, unfortunately it happens after they dumb down their sound a lot, some stuff isn't bad, i can listen to the classic rock stations without a problem, it's better than nothing sometimes

[The User]

im not saying anything here, cause i know ill say something i regret.

[fiveways]

Originally posted by The User
im not saying anything here, cause i know ill say something i regret.

Ahh, come on.....We all want to hear it....

[3v3+Z]

Originally posted by FiveWays
Am I the only one around here that listens to no commerical music?...

Does anyone out there agree with me that there is nothing worth listening to on the radio?

I wouldn't go so far as to say that I don't listen to ANY "commercial" music. And I also wouldn't go so far as to say "there is nothing worth listening to on the radio". I don't think commercial radio is worth listening to, and frankly I almost NEVER listen to it. But for me, that's due to the repetition, not the music itself necessarily. I mean sure, a LOT of what they play IS garbage, but I wouldn't dismiss it all as BAD. It's just such a mind-numbing lack of variety! There is NO SONG that can survive the kind of repetition that a hit song is subjected to on commercial radio! I'm not speaking generally. I honestly feel that there is NOT ONE SINGLE SONG -- PAST, PRESENT, OR FUTURE -- THAT CAN SURVIVE THAT KIND OF OVER-PLAY!!! If you try listening to "Stairway to Heaven" with fresh ears -- if that's possible at this point -- you can see what a unique song that was, especially for that time. Regardless of your personal opinions on that particular song, you can't really dispute that it was a uniquely written song that didn't follow any kind of normal, cookie cutter, pop/rock structure or formula. But after you hear it about a billion times on the radio, it gets STALE! What was once unique and refreshing starts to feel routine and boring. (Just imagine how bad that COULD have gotten if Zeppelin had actually released "Stairway" as a SINGLE!) With "Stairway" being such a famous/infamous example of an overplayed song, it's obvious that this is not a new phenomenon. But it's also clear that this problem is not getting better. :(


Originally posted by FiveWays
...That music video's hurt their brains?

I find it amazing that anyone is still bothering to make music videos. Maybe you're just not supposed to "get" videos when you reach 30 years old, but they all just seem ridiculous to me now. I mean, in the 80's, that's just what you DID, ya know? You could forgive the stupidity and campy-ness of videos because it was kind of new and novel. But now it's like, "What are you doing? How old are you? What decade do you think this is?" Ya know?


Originally posted by FiveWays
Am I the only one who listen to pretty much 100% minor label bands? Does anyone out there seriously listen to Jazz other then me? How about none guitar fields like Noise, Ambient, and Classical?

The VAST majority of new music I listen to and purchase these days is on independent record labels. I listen to all sorts of stuff. My main area of interest is Rock & Roll, VERY generally speaking. It bugs the hell out of me when people want to narrow it down further than that. People ask, "What kind of rock? Oldies? Metal? ALTERNATIVE ?" :mad: I don't want to even narrow it down to "rock", and they want me to chose sides between two narrow subsets of "emo-core", or whatever the hell the "cool" new genre is. What kind of music do I listen to? THE GOOD KIND! That's cheesy, I know. Pisses people off, too. Oh well. :p

I'm fortunate that I live close enough to Canada to hear a radio show called "Brave New Waves (http://www.bravenewwaves.ca/audio.shtml)". You can hear it on the web though. I can't even begin to express how good I think this show is. I honestly can't imagine how a radio show could be any better!

The past few weeks I've been putting links to free & legal downloads of independent music in my sig. (which reminds me, I'm about due to change that). I'm wondering if anyone pays any attention to that, though. I'm thinking it might not be worth the trouble if no one's checking 'em out. (But how can you resist a lyric like "Who mistook the steak for chicken? -- Who'm I gonna stick my **** in?"???:D )


By the way, as I write this, I'm listening to Donovan's "Greatest Hits". Just before I wrote this, I was watching the first season of The Monkees' TV show on DVD. :p

Have a swell day.

[nobody]

Originally posted by FiveWays
[BDoes anyone out there agree with me that there is nothing worth listening to on the radio? That music video's hurt their brains? Am I the only one who listen to pretty much 100% minor label bands? Does anyone out there seriously listen to Jazz other then me? How about none guitar fields like Noise, Ambient, and Classical? [/B]

Dude, you know I'm with you. I get the same feelings too, I don't care about the Vines, the Strokes, the White Stripes or any of that other over-hyped regurgitated whatever ...

Yeah, I listen to Jazz, R&B, Ambient, Classical, Soundtrack, Western, DnB, Trip-hop, oldies, spacerock ... whatever is interesting and creative.

[Jat]

Am I the only one around here that listens to no commerical music?

I can see where you're coming from there. I can't stand most music on radio, etc...but I do listen to a few semi-well know bands...like CKY, Queens of the Stone Age, Foo Fighters..

a majority of my music taste is death metal...but I'll listen to anything if its good

[Wir-Click-Wir]

<--- Pop whore.

[accord dude]

Well I dont listen to much new music. Most of the stuff I listen to is from the 70's. I listen to rockin hits 104.5 or somthing like that not to bad of a station.

What i cant stand is rap. To me rap is crap.

I havent listened to much of the small name labels even though i have heard alot of good stuff from small labels. But when I go over to the music store they never have it.

[Ryan_77uk]

I hate music videos. Music Videos are made to appeal to the retards who need to have something tangable, a product to accociate with and get that image for being into something cool.

Music Videos are for people with short attention spans who need to have something to watch while the music is on, so the song gets in their head and then they like it.

I don't like bands releasing singles either. I know a guy in a band in the UK and I think he said it best when he said "an album is a piece of art that has been carfully crafted over months to be just how we want it, its something we're proud of. singles are put out by the record company with one of the good songs and plus two more songs that we recorded in 2 days and are no better then demos".

It all comes down to money. The human race is a lazy greedy race and we will do anything to make more money, get more power and make life easier for ourselves.

[fiveways]

Originally posted by 3v3+Z
I'm fortunate that I live close enough to Canada to hear a radio show called "Brave New Waves (http://www.bravenewwaves.ca/audio.shtml)". You can hear it on the web though. I can't even begin to express how good I think this show is. I honestly can't imagine how a radio show could be any better!


I grew up listening to it (I'm Canadian). Amazing show, still is.....I listen every chance I get. CBC is usually all the radio I bother to listen to now. It introduced me to about 90% of what i listened too as a teen (That and local college radio before it all went techno).

And I totally agree on the music video thing....I'm 25, and I just do not understand them anymore. The seem....pointless, bloated, an forced. I wonder how many bands really want to make music video's in this day in age (**** like "Linkin Park" exempted)?

[fiveways]

Originally posted by nobody
Dude, you know I'm with you. I get the same feelings too, I don't care about the Vines, the Strokes, the White Stripes or any of that other over-hyped regurgitated whatever ...

Yeah, I listen to Jazz, R&B, Ambient, Classical, Soundtrack, Western, DnB, Trip-hop, oldies, spacerock ... whatever is interesting and creative.

For some reason i figured you'd have my back.

[Lenin]

classical? i am a classically trained musician and i can discuss the music until i die. jazz too, especially 50s jazz and swing...

[VillageIdiot]

I just listen to whatever is good.

I don't care if its commercial or not- if its good, it's worth listening to.

Having said that, my local Rock radio station has totally destroyed "Like A Stone" by Audioslave through repetition.

[540SLTD]

Originally posted by FiveWays
Does anyone out there seriously listen to Jazz other then me?
I listen mostly to jazz. In fact, I'm going to 2 concerts at the Montreal Jazz Festival. One is the Mike Stern Band with Alain Caron on bass. The other is Jack DeJohnette with Herbie Han**** and Dave Holland. I can't wait!

[fiveways]

Originally posted by 540SLTD
I listen mostly to jazz. In fact, I'm going to 2 concerts at the Montreal Jazz Festival. One is the Mike Stern Band with Alain Caron on bass. The other is Jack DeJohnette with Herbie Han**** and Dave Holland. I can't wait!

Very Nice. the best Ottawa has to offer is John Scofield, so I will be attending that.

[Clayton38]

I don't listen to the radio... because I don't have one or have access to one. I had one in my truck when I bought it, but I sold it so I could get money for my Les Paul. That said, I do listen to bands that are commercial I guess, but most of them aren't very popular now... they just were. I mostly listen to my friend's band because they are mostly who I'm with when I play a show or something, and all the other stuff comes from my older sister giving it to me when I was a kid because she didn't like it, or having my friends recommend it. Or I'll listen to a band that really impresses me live. So I guess I mainly listen to commercial stuff, not because I hear it on the radio, but because thats what people recommend. In my defense I don't think thats "uncool". Less recognized band are harder to get material from, and frankly I don't care enough to try. I don't listen to music that much anyways, I think it makes me a reflective musician at this point in time... so I just work on my own stuff.

[joeinthebox1980]

i listen to all kinds of music...

even if it's commerical music... why? because it's the concept of keeping your friends close, but your enemies closer! if i know what is crap, what is being over-played, etc. then i know what NOT to do!

but... some "commerical" music is pretty cool. but i can't really think of any right now... heh.

but my tastes generally lean towards more british styles, and then a whole slew of electronic music (IDM, ambient, house, etc.), i am a HUGE fan of jazz... people, check out Chet Baker!

even rap is cool... but the old-school rap. there's a lot of energy and socialy conscious lyrics in there.

but... i generally listen to stuff that is interesting, spin after spin after spin. music where you can find new things in the recordings each time you listen to it. it's got to sound exciting and fresh every time i hear it.

even if it follows a very familiar formula, it is still possible to have a unique and fresh song.

etc. etc. etc.

[The User]

look, i will do anything i can to support minor labels and independant releases, but i am not going to limit the music i listen to to anything exclusive. I want to listen to pop bands and underground bands, and i am not going to chose a style of music that i allow myself to be exposed to. If there is a truely great bad that gets signed to a major label, then i will still listen to them.

Stop limiting yourself.

[Welladjusted]

one of my favorite artists, moby, is on an indie label. i can't think of anyone offhand who likes sparta besides my friend melissa who told me they were great. beanbag is so indie they broke up because their label stopped funding them

[Clayton38]

I agree with the User. I listen to my music the same way I play it. I try to make music that I like, regardless of what has been commercialized or what has been overlooked. If I hear a band that I like, I'm going to listen to it... regardless of whether it's mainstream or not. It's such a lame thing to say that you listen to exclusively independent stuff or the other way around. It's like saying, your'e going to take a cold shower because people enjoy hot showers. Man, theres good things about both so why don't you choose what you want depending on the day or your mood or whatever. Nobody is saying you have to choose one or the other, so why make it into an issue of the "commercial" band and the "indie" band. In the end the only person drawing the line is you. Kind get what I'm saying? I try to accept music in it's entirety, maybe thats why you always see me on the White Stripes forum saying "Let them play for christ sake".

[fiveways]

Originally posted by Clayton38
I agree with the User. I listen to my music the same way I play it. I try to make music that I like, regardless of what has been commercialized or what has been overlooked. If I hear a band that I like, I'm going to listen to it... regardless of whether it's mainstream or not. It's such a lame thing to say that you listen to exclusively independent stuff or the other way around. It's like saying, your'e going to take a cold shower because people enjoy hot showers. Man, theres good things about both so why don't you choose what you want depending on the day or your mood or whatever. Nobody is saying you have to choose one or the other, so why make it into an issue of the "commercial" band and the "indie" band. In the end the only person drawing the line is you. Kind get what I'm saying? I try to accept music in it's entirety, maybe thats why you always see me on the White Stripes forum saying "Let them play for christ sake".

I said it because i cannot find anything I like in that Music world at THIS point in time. So, right now, I am listening excusivly to independant music. If something comes along that impresses me I will listen to it. But right now is a very sad point for popular music.

I just think popular music is at it's lowest point in the last 50 years....And am asking questions to see if anyone agrees.

I accept music in it's enitirety....and I do listen to major label bands, just nothing for the past 5 years, nothing it that time has caught my ear. Which, I will admit, is kinda sad. But, Nu-metal is Horrid, Metal leaves me cold, I don't like Hard Rock, Pop is awful, and the Garage rock Revival is a insult (I am a huge garage rock fan). So what is there left out there for me? Songwriters don't get airplay....Neither do bands who write killer songs.

When you don't really like "ROCK" there isn't much the majors are offering....or, rather, when you don't like the rock they are marketing.

[joeinthebox1980]

Originally posted by FiveWays
I said it because i cannot find anything I like in that Music world at THIS point in time. So, right now, I am listening excusivly to independant music. If something comes along that impresses me I will listen to it. But right now is a very sad point for popular music.

I just think popular music is at it's lowest point in the last 50 years....And am asking questions to see if anyone agrees.

I accept music in it's enitirety....and I do listen to major label bands, just nothing for the past 5 years, nothing it that time has caught my ear.

well, i think there has always been bad pop music. there are dozens of bands over the past 50 years who have had hit records or whatever, but no one has ever heard from them again.

in 50 years, these bands that we complain about now will only be remembered on "where are they now?" sort of shows.

there is a lot of bad popular music, but i think there will always be bad popular music. tastes and trends always change and we will always wonder... why couldn't it be like the mid-'90s or something like that... heh... well, at least i do. ;)

i guess i wouldn't characterize popular music at its lowest point... just a different point, in my opinion.

this discussion relates to that age old question of... what is "good" music. y'know? it's hard to define.

long story short... i think pop music today, to my sensibilities, is not as good as it was over the years. :)

but... there are a lot of interesting pop music these days... like 'em or not... the strokes are doing some interesting things. i had a music teacher in college who is deeply involved with a lot of weird experimental music, and he thought that the strokes were doing interesting things, though, he admitted it was a familiar sort of sound.

[3v3+Z]

Originally posted by FiveWays
...I just think popular music is at it's lowest point in the last 50 years...

People have been saying that for the past 50 years.

Ever see "The Breakfast Club", where the janitor says to the principal, "...the kids haven't changed. You have."? Kids listen to junk. We were once kids listening to junk. And we look back on it fondly. We filter out a lot of the songs that were overplayed for three to six months before they just disappeared forever, never to even be brought up in conversations of one-hit-wonders. And we look back on this distorted memory and say, "Those were the good old days."

[stratocaster83]

Originally posted by FiveWays
i'm evil like that too. I download at least a album a day. I suck.

I use to do that way... until I fill all my hard disks!!! and I have no time to put those albums on cd (converted in .wav)!!! by the time I got an ADSL I had 150 cds, now they must be circa 400...

I listen to everything that make my brain scratching, so radio and stuff is welcome! but I don't dig this stuff as much as those lovely old 70' records!!!

I really love jazz: my dad use to be an avid listener, so I have a giant discography where I can put my ears into!!! I love those cool jazz records from the fifties, as well as some 70' fusion stuff (mostly miles davis' "bitches brew" and chick corea's "return to forever").

[joeinthebox1980]

Originally posted by stratocaster83
I really love jazz: my dad use to be an avid listener, so I have a giant discography where I can put my ears into!!! I love those cool jazz records from the fifties, as well as some 70' fusion stuff (mostly miles davis' "bitches brew" and chick corea's "return to forever").

chet baker... that's some GREAT jazz.

[joeinthebox1980]

Originally posted by FiveWays
i'm evil like that too. I download at least a album a day. I suck.

i read/heard somewhere that people who consistantly download music are twice as likely to purchase albums.

i mean, i know that i tend to buy albums after i download a few tracks off kazaa or whatever.

take *that* major record labels... heh. ;)

[fiveways]

Originally posted by stratocaster83
I really love jazz: my dad use to be an avid listener, so I have a giant discography where I can put my ears into!!! I love those cool jazz records from the fifties, as well as some 70' fusion stuff (mostly miles davis' "bitches brew" and chick corea's "return to forever").

I really LOVE fusion. Miles get played at least once a week around here.

And John scofield is coming, so that is something:)

[VillageIdiot]

Originally posted by joeinthebox1980
i read/heard somewhere that people who consistantly download music are twice as likely to purchase albums.



I'd testify to that... :)

[stratocaster83]

Originally posted by joeinthebox1980
chet baker... that's some GREAT jazz.

"you don't know what love is" is just terrific: it really sends shivers down my spine. you know, chet could have been the next miles davis, but he had to sing/play all those "cheese" songs in order to get drug money... it's so sad. the most important thing is, even though his addiction and commercial stuff, he entered the history with real gems...

[stratocaster83]

Originally posted by FiveWays
And John scofield is coming, so that is something

I bought the album with him pictured as an hindi god or something... it's awsome, man! good electronics stuff, tight funk, jazziness here & there... a class product!

[stratocaster83]

Originally posted by joeinthebox1980
i read/heard somewhere that people who consistantly download music are twice as likely to purchase albums.
I mean, i know that i tend to buy albums after i download a few tracks off kazaa or whatever. take *that* major record labels... heh.

I recently tried to search the blind faith album: it's a band compesed in the 70' by eric clapton (you know the man..), ginger baker (cream) & steve winwood (traffic & others). I couldn't found it. I went into a megastore and found a 2 cd deluxe edition for almost 30€... what?!?!? I don't have these money... I'm sick tired of these things: they did that because that 'deluxe edition' appeals to all those 40/50 years old men that in the early seventies were freaks/hippies that now live in giant houses, drive 2 SUVs and have a big money job...

you know what, I don't really like to spend 20€ fro a 30 years old album, likely to last 40 minutes or less with just a 2 page booklet. so I download it, simple. am I hurting the album sales?!? naaaa... those records company don't give a damn about me, 'coz their troubles start when a 15 years old chick download the latest cristina aguilera single (you can put any teen-act you like), instead of buying it. is this 15 years old chick going to buy her album?!? the answer is no: in the album the only interesting songs are the one that becomes singles, the rest is filling stuff. result: she buys no singles, she buys no albums.

why? easy. music is not an art anymore, it's just an entertainement product. there's some good stuff going on, that's for sure, but the real market is done by those teenage-products (and their image, the trend they settle and bla bla bla). do I feel guilty because of my downloads? not that much. it's not my fault, it's theirs!!! the record companies MUST do something that really appeals to me (and to the thousends of users like me). if they do a good job, it's not a problem for me to pay for what I love: I spend so much in music... but they won't do that. again: why? because they want the whole pie, not just a slice of it, even though it would be an enormous slice, almost the whole pie!!! prices keep rising, quality keeps going down my feet...

[nobody]

Originally posted by stratocaster83
why? easy. music is not an art anymore, it's just an entertainement product. there's some good stuff going on, that's for sure, but the real market is done by those teenage-products (and their image, the trend they settle and bla bla bla). do I feel guilty because of my downloads? not that much. it's not my fault, it's theirs!!! the record companies MUST do something that really appeals to me (and to the thousends of users like me). if they do a good job, it's not a problem for me to pay for what I love: I spend so much in music... but they won't do that. again: why? because they want the whole pie, not just a slice of it, even though it would be an enormous slice, almost the whole pie!!! prices keep rising, quality keeps going down my feet...

For the sake of argument: Forget the record companies. How does the *artist* who created the works you are downloading feel about you bypassing the system to not have to pay for their stuff?

[joeinthebox1980]

Originally posted by nobody
For the sake of argument: Forget the record companies. How does the *artist* who created the works you are downloading feel about you bypassing the system to not have to pay for their stuff?

i think people forget that many artists ON MAJOR LABELS often do NOT make money from album sales.

many, many times the artists have to pay for their producers, studio time, engineers, A&R, managers, guitar gear, travel, food, homes, cars, clothes, etc. with the advances they get from the record labels and record sales is one way to make up those advances and pay back to the major labels.

bands, artists rarely make a profit from record sales... they make a majority of their money from touring.

however, there are a different set of economics in indie labels. in a lot of cases, indie bands have to pay for stuff right out of their own pockets... therefore, CD sales (and shows) are important for them.

personally, i tend to buy albums. i also heard somewhere that people who download music are more likely to actually purchase albums. but i don't shy away from downloading songs and stuff from major label artists.

[joeinthebox1980]

i dunno... i also think that MAJOR record labels need to stop worry about chasing the next "hot" act and stop wasting money on lawyers and court cases and what not, and start focusing on developing some artists and really getting some A&R guys out there to find some hidden talent.

just my opinion, though... *shrug*

[stratocaster83]

Originally posted by nobody
For the sake of argument: Forget the record companies. How does the *artist* who created the works you are downloading feel about you bypassing the system to not have to pay for their stuff?

****ty, I presume... you asked me to forgot about the labels, but I can't, coz theirs is the game!!! but didn't you put * to include the word 'artist'?!? anyway, if I have to feel guilty for something, yes, I definitely feel guilty in the terms of those *artists*, and I feel the same way when I copy a cd... though I think david gilmour won't be that upset if he knows that I downloaded "more" and a couple of other obscure pink floyd albums...

you know man, it's weird: I didn't feel guilty when I was 14 years old and used to copy everything on tape (yes, I had free tapes becasue of my dad's job). I'm serious!!!

as I told you, we CANNOT forget the record label, we have to deal with them... well, sort of: I found a way to deal with them the less as I can. dont' get me worng: I'm one od those dudes who will tell you that there's a lot of difference in an mp3 album compared to a real one, in terms of sound etc etc etc. but I have no money!!!

when I'll have a super mega job* (creating a gap between the poor and the rich), earning a lotsa money, I will buy all those albums, as well as all those lovely old vinyl lps that costs a fortune. I went to an open fair with my girlfriend on a small mediaval town in the wood along the switzerland border... hell, even there they want 25€ for a cream's vinyl... and they didn't have the BBA "live in japan": that's unfair!!!

*fortunatly, that day will never come!

[stratocaster83]

Originally posted by joeinthebox1980
i dunno... i also think that MAJOR record labels need to stop worry about chasing the next "hot" act and stop wasting money on lawyers and court cases and what not, and start focusing on developing some artists and really getting some A&R guys out there to find some hidden talent.

it's not only your opinion... read the zappa/occhiogrosso book about that: he told that in the mid 80s!!! zappa is god.

[pyschocandy]

Well I feel that bands like Spiritualized blend the best of ALL worlds, if you appreciate rock, free-form jazz, blues, gospel, country, trip-hop, drone, its all there to be heard. I feel most of the "indie" bands are stuck in a very boring formula, and it gets repeated by every band.


Few bands take a chance and think outside the box, or if they do they shouldn't. Another great band that crosses the spectrum is PRIMAL SCREAM, and the funny thing about both of these bands is that they both sell horribly in America, go figure. Well I think that is enough banter from me!!


xxxshonnxxx

[joeinthebox1980]

i dig spiritualized... and i really dig lupine howl stuff as well.

EDIT: hehe. and san diego isn't that ****ty. ;)

[nobody]

Originally posted by stratocaster83
****ty, I presume... you asked me to forgot about the labels, but I can't, coz theirs is the game!!! but didn't you put * to include the word 'artist'?!? anyway, if I have to feel guilty for something, yes, I definitely feel guilty in the terms of those *artists*, and I feel the same way when I copy a cd... though I think david gilmour won't be that upset if he knows that I downloaded "more" and a couple of other obscure pink floyd albums...

True. I'm sure a lot of artist just want their music heard one way or another.


as I told you, we CANNOT forget the record label, we have to deal with them... well, sort of: I found a way to deal with them the less as I can. dont' get me worng: I'm one od those dudes who will tell you that there's a lot of difference in an mp3 album compared to a real one, in terms of sound etc etc etc. but I have no money!!!

Actually, I don't agree that we *have* to deal with the major labels, a lot of damn good music is released independently. And that brings another argument to my mind. Shouldn't those that oppose the methods of the majors also boycott the artist that work for the majors? Why should we help support artist that produce for the very system we are rallying against?

[BlueOrb]

i catagorize music in two catagorys, "crap" or "not crap", if its "not crap" then i'll listen to it, who cares if its commericial? it doesnt mean its bad....it just means that its marketable

[nobody]

Originally posted by pyschocandy
Well I feel that bands like Spiritualized blend the best of ALL worlds, if you appreciate rock, free-form jazz, blues, gospel, country, trip-hop, drone, its all there to be heard. I feel most of the "indie" bands are stuck in a very boring formula, and it gets repeated by every band.

And with Spiritualized upcoming release, they are now in that form .. nothing new, just the same thing.

[joeinthebox1980]

Originally posted by nobody
Shouldn't those that oppose the methods of the majors also boycott the artist that work for the majors? Why should we help support artist that produce for the very system we are rallying against?

yah, that is the tough part...

because there are a lot of bands that i like that are on major labels. radiohead, oasis, lotta old jazz stuff is part of big entertainment conglomerates now, etc.

i really don't have a solution... but i think we should continue to support indie labels as much as possible, continue downloading mp3s from major label artists, etc. until the major labels start to change their ways.

[nobody]

Originally posted by BlueOrb
i catagorize music in two catagorys, "crap" or "not crap", if its "not crap" then i'll listen to it, who cares if its commericial? it doesnt mean its bad....it just means that its marketable

I agree with that philosophy, however, the reality is that major record labels ARE destroying what is left of the artistry of music for the general population. I really believe that if people heard indie and obscure bands, a lot of folks would like them. The fact that the majors literally shove this crap down everyone's throat, leaves little room for the general population to hear true artistry, excluding the little snips of artistry majors can produce every now and then .. i.e. Flaming Lips, Beck etc ...

I'm just rambling ...

[nobody]

Originally posted by joeinthebox1980
i really don't have a solution... but i think we should continue to support indie labels as much as possible, continue downloading mp3s from major label artists, etc. until the major labels start to change their ways.

yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. The problem right now is that the majors AREN'T changing, they are litigating. They are abusing our judicial and government system for their fiscal gain, completely disregarding the principles of a free market and innovation. They are using laws as tools to FORCE their outmoded business models on the population for mass consumption.

blah blah blah .. I have a headache and I'm irritable. :)

[pyschocandy]

Whoa, their sweety, I find it amazing that you have posted judgement regarding the new Spiritualized album when it ahsn't even been released. Yeah, yeah I know you snuffed it off some website and already formulated your opinion, well fine, be that way.


xxxshonnxxx:eek:

[joeinthebox1980]

Originally posted by nobody
yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. The problem right now is that the majors AREN'T changing, they are litigating. They are abusing our judicial and government system for their fiscal gain, completely disregarding the principles of a free market and innovation. They are using laws as tools to FORCE their outmoded business models on the population for mass consumption.

blah blah blah .. I have a headache and I'm irritable. :)

i am fascinated with the music industry and all of its inner workings... so i don't mind this line of conversation! :)

yah... they're not changing... but they will change when the realize that the best way to make money/increase record sales is to produce better artists.

i mean, look at the "O Brother Where Art Thou?" soundtrack. major label exces pissed their pants because that soundtrack hit number one and remained one of the top sellers through the year, beating out all the rap stars and pop-emo-punk kids.

they were confused because all of their "research" had shown that their bands would be sure to sell records.

of course, that soundtrack spawned some labels to release bluegrass-esque compilations... but they didn't work as well...

they will eventually realize that developing the next NEW sound as opposed to following the latest trend will be the way to go.

think about the '60s... even pop bands were willing to do weird things in the studio. that needs to come back.

[pyschocandy]

Hey Joeinthebox, can't digest, **** I can't even swallow Lupine Howl, my hopes were shattered with that album. Are you playing in a local project? Drop me an email at fallenidols2002@yahoo.com

xxxshonnxxx

[Greyskull]

Originally posted by joeinthebox1980
they will eventually realize that developing the next NEW sound as opposed to following the latest trend will be the way to go.

But I like that I can laugh at the fat kid wearing the Nickelback T-shirt !

[fiveways]

Originally posted by nobody
yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. The problem right now is that the majors AREN'T changing, they are litigating. They are abusing our judicial and government system for their fiscal gain, completely disregarding the principles of a free market and innovation. They are using laws as tools to FORCE their outmoded business models on the population for mass consumption.

and look at canada, we are going to tax the **** out of CD-R's and Burners because that is suppose to be hurting "SMALL ARTIST". No, it is hurting the majors. Taxes will hurt ME, the small artist, as I distribute demo's via CD-R. I pay more for CD-r's I lose, as does every other indie ****head (wow, that term is allowed) in canada.

I already boycott majors. What music I buy is on vinyl and usually used. Nobody profits from that. New music is all indie stuff, again on vinyl.

I'd rather support the Flaming Lips by attending a show and buying a shirt, at least I know they will be pocketing most of that money......I know how much they would see from my CD purchase (I'd be better off mailing the band a cheque for $10 for downloading the album).

[fiveways]

Originally posted by Greyskull
But I like that I can laugh at the fat kid wearing the Nickelback T-shirt !

Dude, didn't you BUY said Nickelback album?

*points and laughs*

[pyschocandy]

HAAAAAAA!!!!!!

[BlueOrb]

ahhh, nickelback, the worst thing to come out of canada since....canadians

[fiveways]

Originally posted by BlueOrb
ahhh, nickelback, the worst thing to come out of canada since....canadians

I believe I will reply with a simple "**** you"

And, I will also say "sorry" for our super CRAPPY music (Our lady Piece, Tragically Hip, Nickelback....etc).

[BlueOrb]

Originally posted by FiveWays
I believe I will reply with a simple "**** you"

And, I will also say "sorry" for our super CRAPPY music (Our lady Piece, Tragically Hip, Nickelback....etc).

i was just joking, man, sorry, some bands from canada are actually pretty good, like Barenaked ladies.....are from canada.....i think?

[fiveways]

Originally posted by BlueOrb
i was just joking, man, sorry, some bands from canada are actually pretty good, like Barenaked ladies.....are from canada.....i think?

No. They suck too. OH GOD DO THEY EVER SUCK.

[nobody]

Originally posted by pyschocandy
Whoa, their sweety, I find it amazing that you have posted judgement regarding the new Spiritualized album when it ahsn't even been released. Yeah, yeah I know you snuffed it off some website and already formulated your opinion, well fine, be that way.


have you heard it? It's the same old stuff as the last two albums, except it's "rougher", more inline with the current garage rage. Man, as much as I'd like to think this isn't true, J. Spaceman has lost it, like all the spacemen before him.

feeling cynical,
nobody

[nobody]

Originally posted by joeinthebox1980
yah... they're not changing... but they will change when the realize that the best way to make money/increase record sales is to produce better artists.

But they'll certain go down with a mean fight.

i mean, look at the "O Brother Where Art Thou?" soundtrack. major label exces pissed their pants because that soundtrack hit number one and remained one of the top sellers through the year, beating out all the rap stars and pop-emo-punk kids.

Yup, that shows when exposed to it, people will like decent music, they don't necessarily want to be spoon fed.

[nobody]

Originally posted by FiveWays
and look at canada, we are going to tax the **** out of CD-R's and Burners because that is suppose to be hurting "SMALL ARTIST". No, it is hurting the majors. Taxes will hurt ME, the small artist, as I distribute demo's via CD-R. I pay more for CD-r's I lose, as does every other indie ****head (wow, that term is allowed) in canada.

And that's not even including the fact that you aren't necessarily burning copyrighted material. It's just so nonsensical, I can't even fathom the logic in that legislative decision.

[joeinthebox1980]

Originally posted by nobody
But they'll certain go down with a mean fight.

yes, unfortunately it will take a while before record labels will start to change their ways.

we'll probably go through some dark times before the music industry starts to right itself again.

i mean it's happening already... soon one or two companies will own all the major record labels.

it's up to the indie labels to act as a balancing act in this crazy industry.

[The User]

Record labels suck. I dont want a record deal.

[stratocaster83]

Originally posted by nobody
Actually, I don't agree that we *have* to deal with the major labels, a lot of damn good music is released independently. And that brings another argument to my mind. Shouldn't those that oppose the methods of the majors also boycott the artist that work for the majors? Why should we help support artist that produce for the very system we are rallying against?

it depends on what you listen to. you know I'm deeply involved in that 70' thing: most of the bands I love were freaky hippies that now are multimillionare!!! (the only one I still trust is Ian "child in time" gillan: I read an interview where he said "I don't trust this governament, even though it's labour. I don't trust politics... I was - and still I am - a kind of anarchist!!!").

they got giant record deals, and those big labels keep on doing big money out of their old records... a famous producer -who's the partner of my (female) singer - has collected 4 different edition of "the dark side of the moon" on cd... c'mon!

I know there's lovely indie stuff out there, but it doesn't appeal my tastes... you can be sure I've never copied a demo cd of a growing group or whatever!!! I respect them... I ain't the stupid!!!

[stratocaster83]

Originally posted by nobody
And that's not even including the fact that you aren't necessarily burning copyrighted material. It's just so nonsensical, I can't even fathom the logic in that legislative decision.

I'll give you the answer: the giant lobbies decided to do so. why? becasue they're doing that worldwide. in europe, asia etc etc etc. I heard the same news on the telly about more taxes on CD-R, burners etc etc etc. supposedly to stop pirates and such!!!

... FOOLS ...

in italy we have this proverb, freely translated: "for every new law, there will surely be a new way to bypass it". uh, my friends, as I told you before, we're just puppets in the hand of those big companies!!! that's way they hate the net: it escapes their control, and they can't find a good way to defeat it... so they're gonna make big money out of it, while they can!!!

[The User]

Originally posted by stratocaster83
in italy we have this proverb, freely translated: "for every new law, there will surely be a new way to bypass it".


Viva italia

[stratocaster83]

Originally posted by The User
Viva italia

naaaa... if there's something really deceptive about italy is this kind of "we must outcome laws!!!" imperative. I don't really like it, but since we have really stupid governaments (being the dumbest of all the latest: 'berlusconi's army'), sometimes it may helps a little!!! but it's nothing to be proud of, IMHO.

[The User]

Originally posted by stratocaster83
naaaa... if there's something really deceptive about italy is this kind of "we must outcome laws!!!" imperative. I don't really like it, but since we have really stupid governaments (being the dumbest of all the latest: 'berlusconi's army'), sometimes it may helps a little!!! but it's nothing to be proud of, IMHO.
i know nothing of the Italian government. I was at a family reunion in sicily last yer, but they diddnt seem very interested in politics and I diddnt ask.

[joeinthebox1980]

Originally posted by stratocaster83
naaaa... if there's something really deceptive about italy is this kind of "we must outcome laws!!!" imperative. I don't really like it, but since we have really stupid governaments (being the dumbest of all the latest: 'berlusconi's army'), sometimes it may helps a little!!! but it's nothing to be proud of, IMHO.

italian parliament gets disolved, like, every 6 months doesn't it? or at least... it used to be that unstable...

[TheGrinnan]

This thread kinda reminds me of two songs, "Dinosaurs Will Die" by NOFX, and "Rock 'N Roll Radio" by the Ramones. And I totally agree with Joey Ramone when he sings, "Lately it all sounds the same to me" about what's being played today, albeit 15 years or so after that lyric was written.

[stratocaster83]

Originally posted by joeinthebox1980
italian parliament gets disolved, like, every 6 months doesn't it? or at least... it used to be that unstable...

yeah it used to be like that... well, not 6 mounth, a little bit more. 2/3 years when the complete hiatus should be 5 or 7 (can't remember). this governament is going to last, sadly. it's a center/right cohalition after a couple of not that bad center/left cohalitions...

I don't want to talk about that in the board, it seems pretty out of context!!! if you wanna know something more, just email me or send me PMs: I will be glad to aswer you!!!