View Full Version : Did Fender really buy Gibson???
JohnFrusciane
11.28.04, 8:30 PM
I have no idea of this is true but all my friends say fender bought gibson!
is it true
i like fender but if they buy gibson i really think that will screw up the gibsons
No, Fender did not buy Gibson.
You have stupid friends.
Edit: and Gibson are doing a good enough job of screwing themselves up, thankyou very much. If anything, Fender buying them out would be good for them. :)
...
:D
This has made my day.
You should do one of two different things:
1. Get new friends.
2. Be a little less gullible.
Haha!
Not only did Fender buy Gibson, but they've discontinued all their other guitars in favor of the Tom DeLonge Signature Model.
Originally posted by Frinky
No, Fender did not buy Gibson.
You have stupid friends.
Edit: and Gibson are doing a good enough job of screwing themselves up, thankyou very much. If anything, Fender buying them out would be good for them. :)
Hey, does anybody know what happens in the Gibson screwing PRS over and over three times in a row with a screwdriver? :confused:
oh, I ment the Gibson trying to get PRS to stop making the singelcut models :p
sickwindsor
11.29.04, 2:11 AM
Hey look your shoes untied.(WACK!).Dont be so gullible McFly!
GearJunkie
11.29.04, 2:20 AM
Originally posted by FreCKo
Hey, does anybody know what happens in the Gibson screwing PRS over and over three times in a row with a screwdriver? :confused:
oh, I ment the Gibson trying to get PRS to stop making the singelcut models :p
Ya, I tried to ask this myself a couple weeks ago, and most people that responded were complete assholes, hurling insults because I only heard about this about a month ago and that I should have used the search function because there had been plenty of other threads about this (somehow, I was supposed to know that, when I didn't know about the situation in the first place... :mad: )
I hate when people take just as much time to insult you for not using the search button as it would take to just answer the simple question.
P.S. I HATE the search button. Whenever I use it, I end up going through 100 threads that have nothing to do with what I want to know, and then when I post a new thread asking what I want to know, I always get some nob who says to use the search button.
ANYWAY.....
I don't know about the Gibson/PRS thing. All I know is that, for now at least, Gibson has indeed succeeded in halting production of the Singlecut. Which sucks ass for anyone who has actually played one...WAY better than any Les Paul I've ever played...
Message to Gibson: Instead of suing companies that make a superior product to you, why not try and make better guitars? And then maybe charge a reasonable price for them, while you're at it... :rolleyes:
Sorry about the rant...just ignore me...
I dont understand how they could have sued PRS though. I mean if fender ever decided to sue companies that had ripped off the strat they would become richer than god.
Originally posted by sickwindsor
Hey look your shoes untied.(WACK!).Dont be so gullible McFly!
LOL
GearJunkie
11.30.04, 8:37 AM
Ya Fender only sues companies that copy their headstock shapes. As long as that is differant, they don't really care.
Gibson is just sore losers in my opinion. There are tons of smaller companies ripping off Les Pauls much more obviously, but none of them are that successful. It's silly.
I mean, why not sue ESP for their Eclipse Standard?
metalrockster
11.30.04, 8:43 AM
Did fender really buy gibson? hahhaha thats funny. Don't do drugs.
Welladjusted
11.30.04, 10:00 AM
fender SHOULD buy gibson. gibson needs to stop being bastards and just make good guitars. much more constructive than suing people who outdo them
Motorhead
11.30.04, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by Frinky
3) Buy shares in Fender
You can't buy stock of a privately owned company.
You could buy Fender since they are being shopped around by a major Merchant Banker ... Bear Stern I think.
I was joking...
I didn't know Fender were up for sale again. Maybe Gibson should buy them (I'm sure they have the cash now they've been rebranded as a "lifestyle" company), and run two names into the ground.
Motorhead
11.30.04, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by Frinky
I was joking...
I didn't know Fender were up for sale again. Maybe Gibson should buy them (I'm sure they have the cash now they've been rebranded as a "lifestyle" company), and run two names into the ground.
From what I remember Fender was not that expensive either - relatively speaking. Must have a lot of debt on the books.
TryHonesty
11.30.04, 10:58 AM
Fender don't sue their copiers because the name Fender is still an incredibly powerful marketing tool.
A company called Blade did some rather nice 'superstrat' copies (or improvements), with EMGs and sweet tremelos and so on, and got sued for headstock copyright infringement, so they changed it in the american versions, and sales instantly fell, because even a slight difference from the original Fender design means people assume it's inferior.
Gibson didn't sue a lot of their copiers for a long time (as far as I know) because they just weren't quality enough to be challengers. Now several companies have brought out moderately high class copies, such as PRS and Tokai, they've started to get worried, so out come the lawyers...
Traditionally lawsuits against copyright infringement in guitars haven't got very far in court either, the PRS case is quite an unexpected victory for Gibson, especially seen as the judge said, and I quote:
"Personal inspection of these high price guitars that are sold with clear markings of their origins would dispel [any] initial confusion."
and:
"there are various guitars in the market bearing the body shape similar to Gibson's Les Paul model."
Gibson are only a business corporation after all. People seem to assume they actually care about their players. At an individual level, no doubt some of the management do, but as a whole the aim is to make as much profit as you possibly can for as little expenditure...
apathyisok
11.30.04, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by Motorhead
From what I remember Fender was not that expensive either - relatively speaking. Must have a lot of debt on the books.
Unless you have seen a more recent story, Fender came out and said that they were just checking what their company was worth. "Appraising" it, if you will.
Motorhead
11.30.04, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by apathyisok
Unless you have seen a more recent story, Fender came out and said that they were just checking what their company was worth. "Appraising" it, if you will.
No reason to doubt you ... but hiring the services of one of the largest merchant banks for appraisal purposes seems odd and very expensive.
Althought, to get a good read on how much a company like Fender is worth you have to guestimate the 'goodwill' amount of the Fender name.
Plus, you can NOT have outstanding lawsuits if you are getting sold (if they have any).
Originally posted by GDan
if fender ever decided to sue companies that had ripped off the strat they would become richer than god.
Congrats sir, that's the funniest thing i've read all day!
Stratesquire
11.30.04, 4:33 PM
Does Fender hold patents on all of its' headstock shapes, past and present? Obviously, the various Strat shapes, and Tele Shapes are copyrighted, as well as the early and late P / J Bass shapes. But what about the Coronado? Personally, I think that is the coolest of all the Fender headstocks: slightly softer, rounder, but retaining that "fender-CBS" look. I believe it was also used on the Rossmeisl-designed acoustics, like the Kingman, and the Malibu. Anybody know about this?
Esq.
coffeecaster72
11.30.04, 5:32 PM
Fender bought Guild awhile back, is that what you were thinking of?
A spokesman for Fender Musical Instruments said that, "we are not for sale". So apparently Fender is not looking to be bought. It was Goldman Sachs Group that was hired to evaluate the company.
Go here (http://www.forbes.com/manufacturing/2004/06/22/cz_el_0622fender.html) for an article about that and Fender trying to get a patent for the "Stratocaster"'s body design.
Motorhead
11.30.04, 5:55 PM
Originally posted by Phreak
A spokesman for Fender Musical Instruments said that, "we are not for sale". So apparently Fender is not looking to be bought. It was Goldman Sachs Group that was hired to evaluate the company.
Go here (http://www.forbes.com/manufacturing/2004/06/22/cz_el_0622fender.html) for an article about that and Fender trying to get a patent for the "Stratocaster"'s body design.
Thanks ... If fender would have hired Bear Stern it would have been a clear indication that they wanting to go public. I know a few people at GS ... maybe I can find something out.
Maybe so. I just did a small amount of research into it, so the majority of what I know about the evaluation is summed up in that Forbes and other related articles.
I skimmed that article and noticed Gibson saying that they would oppose Fender's right to do this. Um.... hypocrites?
EDIT: I meant to patent the body
Yamaha is the world's largest instrument manufacturer, with a $2.7 billion-a-year business.
Fender’s ($244 million) estimated annual sales are bigger than Gibson’s($135 million for Gibson and $28 million for Baldwin Piano) but exact figures are not known because as private companies they do not have to report their profits.
I have heard many Rumors about Fender being sold and Fender going public. They're just that, Rumors. Fender is hiring consultants to re-evaluate they're finances or to audit their entire business to see how much it is worth (http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2004/06/07/daily40.html)
Contrary to some of the erroneous info you have read in this thread a sale by Fender would not be cheap. Fender has already been sold twice in its history and neither time was the sale cheap. They have also just recently acquired Tacoma Guitars.
The CEO of Gibson Henry Juszkiewicz has said in numerous interviews that his overall goal for Gibson is to surpass Yamaha as the number one Musical Instrument Manufacturer. To him guitars are merely a piece of the puzzle. I think the answer to the recent actions by Gibson against everyone(Tokai, PRS, Nelsonic, Agile) lies somewhere in that motivation.
Gibson by the way is not suing any of these companies on a copyright infringement. They are suing based on Trademarks. For example if somebody were to have a Fast Food restaurant with Golden Arches McDonalds could easily sue them under the argument that the Golden Arches are a clear and recognizable symbol of the McDonalds brand. Gibson is making the same type of argument albeit much weaker with it’s Les Paul horn and position of Control Knobs. Same thing with Fender in the case of the Headstock, the shape of Stratocaster headstock is considered a Trademark.
That's why Fender wins those headstock cases so easily. Most any guitar player recognizes the Fender headstock. Fender is now trying to Trademark the actual shapes of all their Guitars. I think it will be unlikely they suceed. If they don't Gibson's chances of trademarks become even less feasible. At this point a court can argue that the shapes are so copied they have become generic and synonymous with what a Guitar is.
shinedownrocker
11.30.04, 7:51 PM
Originally posted by Motorhead
You can't buy stock of a privately owned company.
You could buy Fender since they are being shopped around by a major Merchant Banker ... Bear Stern I think.
around 1968 or 9 Leo Fender sold fender guitars to CBS for like 3 million or somting like that read it in the 50 years of the Strat guitar world issue, june i think
Motorhead
11.30.04, 7:53 PM
Originally posted by jcyphe
[BContrary to some of the erroneous info you have read in this thread a sale by Fender would not be cheap. Fender has already been sold twice in its history and neither time was the sale cheap. They have also just recently acquired Tacoma Guitars.
[/B]
Cheap to me, to Goldman Sachs Group and to you have different meanings.
Originally posted by Motorhead
Cheap to me, to Goldman Sachs Group and to you have different meanings.
You have no idea what you're talking about, just zip it on this one.
Motorhead
11.30.04, 8:04 PM
Originally posted by jcyphe
You have no idea what you're talking about, just zip it on this one.
Ohhh and you do ... LOL :D
Yes I do, because like anybody can do I read articles on this stuff and follow the info. I don't quote what I heard from somebody I know who works at someplace I've heard of.
You have no leg to stand on in this thread. First you got the Investment Company wrong, mentioned a rumor about Fender for sale like you had some insider info. Then you speculated on the state of fender’s financial situation all with no facts. So yes, you don’t know what you you’re talking about and I do. Read a newspaper and stop passing off frivolous information.
Originally posted by shinedownrocker
around 1968 or 9 Leo Fender sold fender guitars to CBS for like 3 million or somting like that read it in the 50 years of the Strat guitar world issue, june i think
Fender Guitars sold to CBS for $13 million in 1965. It seriously takes one minute to find any of this info on the internet, guys.
Not that hard, at all.
fiveways
11.30.04, 8:18 PM
Originally posted by Motorhead
Ohhh and you do ... LOL :D
Pete, know what? I like you as a person. I respect your knowledge...
But can you kill some off the ****ing attitude for a bit, it is getting really tiresome...Like I don't know if lack of sleep or becoming a father is getting to you, but you have been a **** lately.
Motorhead
11.30.04, 8:18 PM
Originally posted by jcyphe
Yes I do, because like anybody can do I read articles on this stuff and follow the info. I don't quote what I heard from somebody I know who works at someplace I've heard of.
You have no leg to stand on in this thread. First you got the Investment Company wrong, mentioned a rumor about Fender for sale like you had some insider info. Then you speculated on the state of fender’s financial situation all with no facts. So yes, you don’t know what you you’re talking about and I do. Read a newspaper and stop passing off frivolous information.
Listen little one ... you're Internet researching ability is cute but it does not what makes for a career in Corporate Finance.
Yes, I got the Merchant Bank wrong but I did add that I wasn't sure about the company either so start by giving out some numbers so we can evalute Fender and stop being so pissy. Got it?
Motorhead
11.30.04, 8:21 PM
Originally posted by fiveways
Pete, know what? I like you as a person. I respect your knowledge...
But can you kill some off the ****ing attitude for a bit, it is getting really tiresome...Like I don't know if lack of sleep or becoming a father is getting to you, but you have been a **** lately.
You really think I'm going to take 'zip it' sitting down?
fiveways
11.30.04, 8:26 PM
Originally posted by Motorhead
You really think I'm going to take 'zip it' sitting down?
Man, it is "zip it", it's not a big deal.
You're taking this attitude in half the threads on this board, and to a lot of members it is getting really tiresome. I understand you have a lot of knowledge. So do I, so do half the people on this board. It doesn't give you the right to be a **** all the time.
Motorhead, It always boils down to personal attacks with you.
I'm not being anything. You are the one in this thread who has claimed Fender was going for cheap, then you find us the value and where you got that idea from!
As I stated before Fender is a private company and not required to divulge its profits, you and your career in Corporate Finance should know this. Anyway here is a article from a reputable Newspaper where I got my estimates from (http://www.courier-journal.com/business/news2004/02/18/biz-3-gibson18-6257.html).
Originally posted by Motorhead
Cheap to me, to Goldman Sachs Group and to you have different meanings.
Your comment here serves what purpose. Does it prove Fender was going cheap? Is it another one of your dumbass one-liners. You can really put your foot in your mouth in threads when they have nothing to do with what you know, and in others where you think you know what you're talking about. If I'm wrong, PROVE IT. Show me any info at all to substantiate the claims you have made in this thread and I will happily tip my hat to you.
shinedownrocker
11.30.04, 8:33 PM
Originally posted by jcyphe
Fender Guitars sold to CBS for $13 million in 1965. It seriously takes one minute to find any of this info on the internet, guys.
Not that hard, at all.
sory im working on home work so i cant really look up any info
Motorhead
11.30.04, 8:38 PM
Originally posted by jcyphe
Motorhead, It always boils down to personal attacks with you.
I'm not being anything. You are the one in this thread who has claimed Fender was going for cheap, then you find us the value and where you got that idea from!
As I stated before Fender is a private company and not required to divulge its profits, you and your career in Corporate Finance should know this. Anyway here is a article from a reputable Newspaper where I got my estimates from (http://www.courier-journal.com/business/news2004/02/18/biz-3-gibson18-6257.html).
Your comment here serves what purpose. Does it prove Fender was going cheap? Is it another one of your dumbass one-liners. You can really put your foot in your mouth in threads when they have nothing to do with what you know, and in others where you think you know what you're talking about. If I'm wrong, PROVE IT. Show me any info at all to substantiate the claims you have made in this thread and I will happily tip my hat to you.
Yes cheap ... it's not the huge Corporation that every one thinks it is. Last I heard it was valued at $500 million. That's a small U.S. company!
Substantiate what? ... that they probably have a lot of debt on their books? That's Textbook for a company like Fender.
Rebut me all you want but don't tell me to shut up because like you said only banks and Fender know the real story.
Motorhead
11.30.04, 8:41 PM
Originally posted by fiveways
Man, it is "zip it", it's not a big deal.
You're taking this attitude in half the threads on this board, and to a lot of members it is getting really tiresome. I understand you have a lot of knowledge. So do I, so do half the people on this board. It doesn't give you the right to be a **** all the time.
I hardly posted in the last week and when I did it was clean out old business in the tech forums. If you and your posse is pissed that I took the boards recent attitiude to HC ... well too bad. I don't have to run my suggestions through nobody.
Originally posted by shinedownrocker
sory im working on home work so i cant really look up any info
I wasn't trying to slam you personally. If you're not exactly sure on the Year or Figure it causes confusion if you post what you remembered reading in a magazine. If you don't have enough time to make a researched post you have to consider not making that particular post at all. Somebody might take your guess as fact.
It literally took me less than 30 seconds to verify the answer I already knew. I was pretty sure but still I verified it. I bet it took me less time less time to verify my info than it took you to post.
Again, not trying to knock you. Just think about it next time.
fiveways
11.30.04, 8:47 PM
Originally posted by Motorhead
I hardly posted in the last week and when I did it was clean out old business in the tech forums. If you and your posse is pissed that I took the boards recent attitiude to HC ... well too bad. I don't have to run my suggestions through nobody.
Did I include myself with them?
God your a **** someday's. Why are you so goddamned high and mighty? Like you know pickups. BIG ****ING DEAL.
I was more pissed off by how you answered general questions to users I don;t know then what your deal with travis is. I don't care about your opinions on religion/politics, it's your attitude problem that is driving people away from these boards.
Motorhead
11.30.04, 8:51 PM
Originally posted by fiveways
Did I include myself with them?
God your a **** someday's. Why are you so goddamned high and mighty? Like you know pickups. BIG ****ING DEAL.
I was more pissed off by how you answered general questions to users I don;t know then what your deal with travis is. I don't care about your opinions on religion/politics, it's your attitude problem that is driving people away from these boards.
Shane, please take it easy. I'm not high and mighty and I'm not driving people away.
paulandpaul
11.30.04, 8:52 PM
Originally posted by Motorhead
Shane, please take it easy. I'm not high and mighty and I'm not driving people away.
you have no idea buddy.
Originally posted by Motorhead
Yes cheap ... it's not the huge Corporation that every one thinks it is. Last I heard it was valued at $500 million. That's a small U.S. company!
Substantiate what? ... that they probably have a lot of debt on their books? That's Textbook for a company like Fender.
Rebut me all you want but don't tell me to shut up because like you said only banks and Fender know the real story.
Again, what did you prove. Nobody claimed Fender was a big comapany, it is a small private comapny. So how do you then have the right to simply say the sale of it was going to be cheap. Since we all know that Fender is only a small private comapny it's sale is not expected to be a huge sum. I'm sure if anything Fender because of the name would sell for more than it may actually be worth. You should know that!
This is not what you were saying or appeared to be saying at all. You made it seem like you had direct knowledge Fender was selling for less than the Industry would expect and then speculated it had debts. Again prove your source, gives us any info to believe you or really shut up and don't post your rumors and insider industry info. They don't do those of us trying to get any real info any good, can't you understand that?
Motorhead
11.30.04, 8:57 PM
Originally posted by jcyphe
Again, what did you prove. Nobody claimed Fender was a big comapany, it is a small private comapny. So how do you then have the right to simply say the sale of it was going to be cheap. Since we all know that Fender is only a small private comapny it's sale is not expected to be a huge sum. I'm sure if anything Fender because of the name would sell for more than it may actually be worth. You should know that!
This is not what you were saying or appeared to be saying at all. You made it seem like you had direct knowledge Fender was selling for less than the Industry would expect and then speculated it had debts. Again prove your source, gives us any info to believe you or really shut up and don't post your rumors and insider industry info. They don't do those of us trying to get any real info any good, can't you understand that?
Alright Fender is debt free and it will cost a fortune to buy. Thank you for corecting me.
You are so ungracious and rude. I am not trying to burn you or get under your skin. Maybe that is what you like to do.
I was trying to provide some info. Like always you started in with your one liners and then tried to belittle me.
I'm sure you'll do it again. But you'll be on my ignore list soon enough.
As for "me and my friends" we have more in the works than you know.
overdrive_zep
11.30.04, 9:11 PM
haha just for fun...we should've just played along with his friends...
Originally posted by Motorhead
If you and your posse is pissed that I took the boards recent attitiude to HC ... well too bad. I don't have to run my suggestions through nobody.
First, you need to ask yourself whether your attitude is completely in check and you should probably ask others too. You would soon find that you are just as much to blame for the forums recent attitude change as anyone else.
Putting our personal differences aside, your attitude in this thread alone shows that you are and can be a prick. A big one at that. I don't think I need to quote you for all to see.
And this has nothing to do with your "thesis" to the HC, it has to do with your insulting one-liners and piss-poor attitude toward the fine folks here.
It's just so ironic that people said I needed to be more humble and I decided that maybe they were right, but you continue on your self-righteous crusade to ruin this board for people who have been here a lot longer and have put much more energy and diversity into it.
Guys. It'd be nice if all four of you would virtually shake hands and say, "Let's go on with our lives."
sirterrapin
11.30.04, 10:35 PM
I agree. Where's the love?
VillageIdiot
12.01.04, 5:14 AM
Originally posted by sirterrapin
I agree. Where's the love?
Shes gone baby... shes gone.
People are pissed... gloves are off.
You guys, seriously, you're not getting it. Don't argue about this, it's pathetic. Stop the arguing and go play guitar or something... Jeez... :(
Nobody cares about the children anymore...
PageKillsHalen
12.01.04, 11:46 AM
Even if fender baught out ALL the stratocaster copies, i would still respect them more than gibson.
woah. can't believe this hasn't been moderated yet.
it's turned into a free-for-all!
it's like clash of the titans!
reverb vs. the pickup: only on pay-per-view.
fiveways
12.01.04, 2:57 PM
Originally posted by ake
woah. can't believe this hasn't been moderated yet.
it's turned into a free-for-all!
it's like clash of the titans!
reverb vs. the pickup: only on pay-per-view.
Funny part is guru spent 15 minutes reading this post last night and he just let it go.
Originally posted by Phreak
Guys. It'd be nice if all four of you would virtually shake hands and say, "Let's go on with our lives."
+1.
Let's all count to 10 and relax . . .
New topic (trying mightily to change the subject):
Who makes the best Gibson-inspired guitar?
- Baker
- Hamer
- Heritage
- PRS
- Your fave
Discuss :D
PageKillsHalen
12.01.04, 3:55 PM
Originally posted by Alecto
+1.
Let's all count to 10 and relax . . .
New topic (trying mightily to change the subject):
Who makes the best Gibson-inspired guitar?
- Baker
- Hamer
- Heritage
- PRS
- Your fave
Discuss :D
PRS, but i still think they are over priced.
Originally posted by Alecto
+1.
Let's all count to 10 and relax . . .
New topic (trying mightily to change the subject):
Who makes the best Gibson-inspired guitar?
- Baker
- Hamer
- Heritage
- PRS
- Your fave
Discuss :D
I like the looks of the jj guitar www.jjguitar.com I believe, but I don't know how they sound and so on...
PRS is very overpriced, and non-available for leftys :mad:
Originally posted by Alecto
+1.
Let's all count to 10 and relax . . .
New topic (trying mightily to change the subject):
Who makes the best Gibson-inspired guitar?
- Baker
- Hamer
- Heritage
- PRS
- Your fave
Discuss :D
Tokai! The fact you forget them makes me a sad Frink indeed.
Originally posted by Alecto
+1.
Let's all count to 10 and relax . . .
New topic (trying mightily to change the subject):
Who makes the best Gibson-inspired guitar?
- Baker
- Hamer
- Heritage
- PRS
- Your fave
Discuss :D
Between the four listed I would pick Hamer. I would also pick Guild. I prefer both over Gibson. I do have to say that I don't really consider PRS to be Gibson-inspired. I consider them to be an amalgam of Gibson and Fender.
strathero47
12.01.04, 8:07 PM
I love my Guild Bluesbird. It's better than any Les Paul I've tried; and its a lot lighter
Delaytone7
12.01.04, 8:28 PM
About the "Gibson screwing PRS" deal, I heard that PRS tried to sue Gibson when they re-released their double cut-away a few years back, saying that Gibson was trying to copy their guitars. Since Gibson had already had that style out for way longer than PRS has been around it did not work. So Gibson decided to "get back" at PRS by suing them about their Singlecut, since it basically is the same guitar with a different headstock and less wood. This is what a seemingly knowledgeable Guitar Center employee told me anyway.
<takes a deep breath>
Frinky: I was going for the whole "equivalent price but better quality" thing, but if you put Tokai over all the others, that's cool. :) Of course, I did put "your fave" as an alternate choice . . .
Just for the record, I dig Hamers. My fingers have enjoyed every Hamer I've ever tried: it's just a problem getting the right guitar and my bank account to line up. I especially like the Monaco; the 25.5" scale would be smart for downtuners like myself. I occasionally wonder if I should ditch my Studio on behalf of a Monaco, but my Studio looks so sexy! :( :p
I've also liked the Bluesbirds I've tried (the 90's editions, that is). It's a shame Guild discontinued the model.
PagekillsHalen: YYYYY?
FreCKo: your link didn't work.
Delaytone7: I hadn't heard about that. Has anybody else? Can anybody dig up any details?
Originally posted by Delaytone7
About the "Gibson screwing PRS" deal, I heard that PRS tried to sue Gibson when they re-released their double cut-away a few years back, saying that Gibson was trying to copy their guitars. Since Gibson had already had that style out for way longer than PRS has been around it did not work. So Gibson decided to "get back" at PRS by suing them about their Singlecut, since it basically is the same guitar with a different headstock and less wood. This is what a seemingly knowledgeable Guitar Center employee told me anyway.
Nah, Gibson has been suing pretty much everyone. There's not revenge nor has PRS (to my knowledge) ever sued Gibson over the DC. PRS was one of many sued - it was just the highest profile case. Gibson is pretty much run by corporate lawyers these days from what I can tell.
ohh! i wanna play ... please ignore this if you don't like what i have to say since things have calmed a bit ... i don't look @ the "guitar" forum much, so i've missed it ...
i think the cause of the problem is this:jcyphe --
You have no idea what you're talking about, just zip it on this one.completely unnecessary, and sets the tone for any (what some may see as) negative posts that follow ... sure, self restrain comes into play - just as it should have for jcyphe ...
i'm really bothered by the "thought police" saying things like this:jcyphe --
If you don't have enough time to make a researched post you have to consider not making that particular post at all. Somebody might take your guess as fact.who is he to say when/why/if a person can post!?!? ... if you take info, like the subject of this thread, as COLD HARD FACT - and don't do any research yourself, so what? at the end of the day it doesn't matter, none of us have anything to do w/ fender buying/gibson selling anything (in this scope) ...
it's IMPOSSIBLE to get down to what posts deserve to be a part of the board - it's personal preference and none of us are the same person ...jcyphe --
As for "me and my friends" we have more in the works than you know.how exciting! :D legislation by the T.P.!
any members who are "put off" by Motor's "attitude" don't live in the real world ... anyone who gets horribly upset by his perceived "rudeness" (which is VERY subjective) must live under a rock and have no contact w/ the harshness that is real, living breathing life ...
no one is better than anyone else, but this feeling that 'internet links' are debate proof and everyone else must use that standard is ... well ... internet link :D (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=absurd)
notts_182
12.02.04, 4:14 PM
Originally posted by jcyphe
Contrary to some of the erroneous info you have read in this thread a sale by Fender would not be cheap. Fender has already been sold twice in its history and neither time was the sale cheap. They have also just recently acquired Tacoma Guitars.
.
you got thatword "erroneous" from the article that you gave the link to...lol
what does it mean anyways..i feel stupid
nobody --
The horse is dead.depends on who you feel the "horse" is ... :D ...
am i off your ignore list - or did you just see that i posted *something*?
just curious :)notts_182 --
you got thatword "erroneous" from the article that you gave the link to...lol
what does it mean anyways..i feel stupidit means there are errors present, or it was created from something in which errors were present ... ;) - deep down you knew that :D
Matthew17
12.02.04, 5:10 PM
I heard that Gibson were being bought by this guitar company
www.yugoguitars.com
Anyone know about this? I heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend who happens to be called Peter Gibson.
Originally posted by Matthew17
I heard that Gibson were being bought by this guitar company
www.yugoguitars.com
Anyone know about this? I heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend who happens to be called Peter Gibson.
You're right, I heard it too. I work for the phone company. I'm sure they talked about the Gibson to YUGOGUITARS deal over the Telephone so I am a very good source.
Trust me I know how these things work, you pickup a phone and dial numbers and talk. All my info is good on this, don't doubt me for one second. Don't listen to those buffons saying other things in Articles, Magazines, and the News.
Originally posted by jcyphe
You're right, I heard it too. I work for the phone company. I'm sure they talked about the Gibson to YUGOGUITARS deal over the Telephone so I am a very good source.
Trust me I know how these things work, you pickup a phone and dial numbers and talk. All my info is good on this, don't doubt me for one second. Don't listen to those buffons saying other things in Articles, Magazines, and the News.
Nice to see you've put that whole situation behind you...
Honestly, this was one of the dumbest posts I've read in a while. Motorhead never said anything like that. He simply wrote his opinion on the topic. That's really what 99% of the posts on this forum are (including this one). I can't believe how upset people got over this...
I am no longer going to tolerate stupid remarks from members on here. I don't care how many posts they have or who they think they are or think they know.
Motormouth has already said before he likes to make snide comments to irk people. If he can't take it, don't dish it out.
I shouldn't have to be responsible for people acting like twats. The way this board has always worked since I've been reading for about 2 years is that people tried to provide clear and accurate information. They went out of their way to do so.
Now people are just saying whatever and then defending their babble carte blanche, thinking they have the right to do whatever they feel. Then guess what? SO DO I, especially when I'm trying to rise above and provide truthful info. So deal with it.
theres a difference between providing truthful info, and providing truthful info like an arrogant ****.
the guitargeek i knew when i first started watching these boards and eventually joined people would offer their information freely and in a friendly way.
Yes, provide info truthfully. And also be very dissmissive of trolls and people who were posting for attention or just posting nonsense. This has always gone on GG, it's how a board with only 3 mods basically self-moderated itself for a long time.
Motorhead
12.02.04, 9:00 PM
Originally posted by jcyphe
[B][quote]
Motormouth has already said before he likes to make snide comments to irk people.
I never said that :confused:
Originally posted by jcyphe
I shouldn't have to be responsible for people acting like twats.
...
Now people are just saying whatever and then defending their babble carte blanche, thinking they have the right to do whatever they feel. Then guess what? SO DO I, especially when I'm trying to rise above and provide truthful info.
You're right, it is your right. But by behaving the way you have in this thread, you're just becoming the thing you hate. If you don't want people acting like "twats" don't be one yourself...
jcyphe is a very intelligent, informed individual ... for the most part, i like/respect the guy ... what i DON'T like is this attitude that people who don't "do business" (in the manner in which they post) just like himself - seem to be deemed inferior to himself and his "method" of posting [w/ assertive statements and internet links abound] ...
if this sounds familiar, it should, i've accused "somebody" of it numerous times ...
post however "you" want - but don't get all "pissy" cause people don't "do business" like you ... that's why i laugh when some of the T.P. (and T.P. in training) got offended by my [...] usage ... the only "rule" i ask is at least separate your thoughts ...
anyway ... i don't think fender or gibson are for sale ...
but i don't have any magical links to back that up - so i must be wrong ...
:p
Originally posted by Motorhead
I never said that :confused:
You said it here (http://guitargeek.com/chat/showthread.php?s=&postid=497536#post497536)
Originally posted by McBain
You're right, it is your right. But by behaving the way you have in this thread, you're just becoming the thing you hate. If you don't want people acting like "twats" don't be one yourself...
I have never treated anybody who didn't directly insult me or misquote me with disrespect. From now on I will deal with the certain element of the board in a manner which they understand and others as I have done already will go in my ignore list.
I'm sorry that other members have to read these flame wars. For a long time I have seen this guy Motormouth hurling insults at everyone, thinking its cute and have said nothing. That day ends now.
jcyphe --
That day ends now.joseph, i respect you, really i do, but it's almost as if you see yourself as GG's "savior" ... maybe not it's lone savior, but seriously, do you think GG (or anyone) needs you to undertake this 'monumental' task?
i don't think so ... i mean, speak your mind (no one ever asked you not to) - but don't feel like you should purge the board from "evil" - cause what you see is evil, may not be to most everyone else ...
but chances are you won't see this cause i'm one of those "they's" who are on your ignore list - :rolleyes:
whatever makes you sleep better @ night man ... :p
Motorhead
12.02.04, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by jcyphe
You said it here (http://guitargeek.com/chat/showthread.php?s=&postid=497536#post497536)
Please read the whole thread or at least the post that I'm responding too :rolleyes:
Originally posted by nobody
So? You're attempt to paint me as a hypocrite fails. I never told you to stop what you're doing and my statement above is completely out of context. I simply pointed out that your one-liners aren't helping this situation. Which is most certainly true.
Really, Motorhead, everytime you try to catch me in something it never works ... why try?
I responded to "Why Try?" i.e. why try to paint 'nobody' as a hypocrite?
Are you that desperate for blood?
Originally posted by Motormouth
Please read the whole thread or at least the post that I'm responding too :rolleyes:
A big chunk of the thread is you shooting 1 sentence lines at Nobody trying to agitate him. I read the original thread, time has not changed it!
Once a troll always a troll. Maybe you fooled others or are a nice guy to those you like. To me you're a deprecating, obnoxious jerk, troll. I will spare the board anymore of this. You are ignored. Trolls are parasites, they need a host to live. You're cut.
WELCOME TO MY IGNORE LIST
Motorhead
12.02.04, 10:46 PM
Originally posted by jcyphe
A big chunk of the thread is you shooting 1 sentence lines at Nobody trying to agitate him. I read the original thread, time has not changed it!
I'm not trying to agitate him.
I even told Gururyan that I was going to keep things from turning into a quote festival by addressing 1 issue at a time. That's my way of keeping it simple. My bad.
jcyphe --
WELCOME TO MY IGNORE LISTsweet! now me and Motorhead have more in common! hahaha ...
jcyphe - way to make the world a better place, 1 "troll" @ a time ...
* laughing [hysterically] @ the idea of Motorhead as a troll *
Originally posted by jcyphe
Once a troll always a troll. Maybe you fooled others or are a nice guy to those you like. To me you're a deprecating, obnoxious jerk, troll. I will spare the board anymore of this. You are ignored. Trolls are parasites, they need a host to live. You're cut.
WELCOME TO MY IGNORE LIST
Ooh, the drama. I think scxtt hit the nail on the head with you.
Frankly, it's your loss if you put Motorhead on your ignore list. He's been nothing but helpful and knowledgable to me. You on the other hand don't stand out to me as particularly helpful. If you're trying to remove all of the trolls and the parasites, maybe you should head for the exit.
I guess this is going to put me right on your ignore list. Sigh... :rolleyes:
Originally posted by McBain
Ooh, the drama. I think scxtt hit the nail on the head with you.
Frankly, it's your loss if you put Motorhead on your ignore list. He's been nothing but helpful and knowledgable to me. You on the other hand don't stand out to me as particularly helpful. If you're trying to remove all of the trolls and the parasites, maybe you should head for the exit.
I guess this is going to put me right on your ignore list. Sigh... :rolleyes:
Sorry if I have never helped you directly. This week I can remember helping somebody identify their Teisco, finding a model name for a Danelectro someone wanted, then finding two of them on sale for that person. I also corrected the pages of misinformation in this very thread.
If Motormouth has been helpful to you, great. I wish he would have been respectful to all members. I'm not going to put you on ignore list for having an opinion about me. But if I notice you harboring anger towards me in any thread when I have never done anything to you and you want to insult me. You'll get cut just as quickly.
Originally posted by jcyphe
To me you're a deprecating, obnoxious jerk, troll.
i was kind of thinking the same thing to the way you acted in this thread. scxtt pretty much nailed where this started from. which is when you felt the need to say You have no idea what you're talking about, just zip it on this one.
self moderating is one thing, telling people to shut up because they don't agree with you is another.
edit: i'll just add real quick that i think both of you, jcyphe and motorhead are knowledgable and just wish people would quit fighting.
Originally posted by jcyphe
Sorry if I have never helped you directly. This week I can remember helping somebody identify their Teisco, finding a model name for a Danelectro someone wanted, then finding two of them on sale for that person.
Good to know (seriously).
But if I notice you harboring anger towards me in any thread when I have never done anything to you and you want to insult me. You'll get cut just as quickly.
But that's what I've seen you do in this thread. Your attacks on Motorhead seemed unprovoked from my viewpoint. I'd appreciate if you'd quote the first point in this thread where you feel Motorhead insulted you without being provoked.
Sorry if you read it that way. But we were not arguing opinions. Motormouth was pretending to have secret inside info about the rumored Fender Sale and was making dubious claims about the industries shock at the lowball offers to buy Fender. When I refuted that info because it is simply false, with links. He reacted with one of his oneliners of expensive meaning different things to different people.
He was misinformed and objected in a pissy way that I went against his info. I didn't want to hear anymore of it, sorry if my response was blunt.
Originally posted by jcyphe
When I refuted that info because it is simply false, with links. He reacted with one of his oneliners of expensive meaning different things to different people.
This is what Motorhead said before you even made your first post:
From what I remember Fender was not that expensive either - relatively speaking.
Note the "relatively speaking" on the end. He didn't "react" with a oneliner, he restated that it wasn't expensive for the Goldman Sachs Group.
Matthew17
12.03.04, 1:22 AM
just an update....
Gibson/fender AND PRS
are being bought by....
Ed Roman!
www.edromangoestotown.com
you know you're not surprised
Doctor J
12.03.04, 2:31 AM
What?
Do I just not pay attention, or am I too selective in the threads I read?
I guess my real point is that of all the boards I've been a member of, including an anime board ruled by elitist otaku and a "punk" forum dominated by junior high kids, this is the most mature, intelligent, insightful, and indeed (dare I say it) helpful board I've ever experienced.
I've met some great people here, and I've learned a ton during my stay. Having not been here as long as some of the others, I fail to see the "decline" of the boards that some people speak of, and since I read a pretty small portion of the threads, I can hardly comment on a "general attitude" of the board that leans one way or another.
There does seem to be quite an influx of new members, which can be good or bad depending on who you talk to. Personally, it doesn't bother me at all because some of the "newbie" questions I see getting asked are some of the same questions I asked when I first came around. The new people are looking for information. (As a minor tangent: Are they just supposed to magically know about the search function? By the same token, they should be made to understand that someone who recommends the search function isn't berating them. There is a wealth of information waiting to be unearthed in the older threads on this forum.)
I'm not really sure what I'm getting at, so, yeah, just count me as someone else waving their hands saying, "Can't we all just get along?"
Originally posted by Doctor J
Do I just not pay attention, or am I too selective in the threads I read?
I guess my real point is that of all the boards I've been a member of, including an anime board ruled by elitist otaku and a "punk" forum dominated by junior high kids, this is the most mature, intelligent, insightful, and indeed (dare I say it) helpful board I've ever experienced.
I've met some great people here, and I've learned a ton during my stay. Having not been here as long as some of the others, I fail to see the "decline" of the boards that some people speak of, and since I read a pretty small portion of the threads, I can hardly comment on a "general attitude" of the board that leans one way or another.
There does seem to be quite an influx of new members, which can be good or bad depending on who you talk to. Personally, it doesn't bother me at all because some of the "newbie" questions I see getting asked are some of the same questions I asked when I first came around. The new people are looking for information. (As a minor tangent: Are they just supposed to magically know about the search function? By the same token, they should be made to understand that someone who recommends the search function isn't berating them. There is a wealth of information waiting to be unearthed in the older threads on this forum.)
I'm not really sure what I'm getting at, so, yeah, just count me as someone else waving their hands saying, "Can't we all just get along?"
+1. I'm *so* glad you said that, Dr. J. :)
Okay, my fuse (ordinarily the length of the Trans-Canada Highway) is getting low. Seeing as my attempt to get people to calm down has gone completely tits up, I'm weighing in.
jcyphe - I don't know what your previous history/arguments were with Motörhead, and quite frankly, I don't give a rat's ass. Based on what I saw in this thread (and *only* in this thread), it appears to me like you came in here looking for a fight. IMO you trolled Motörhead, and he reacted in self-defence. And you won't keep the moral high ground when you use cheap insults (like "motormouth") in posts. Save it for FoxNews. Oh, and ditch the vague threats. I'm not impressed.
Motörhead - Dude. Relax. Count to 10. Change the baby. Not everyone here is used to dealing with Francophones; keep it in mind when posting.
To all of you - If you're not going to play nice, stay out of the pool. Here endeth the rant.
P.S. (to Matthew17) - Now that Ed Roman has bought Fender and Gibson, does this mean that Squiers and Epiphones will now be made from gay, communist whales from outer space? ;)
thefuryiswithin
12.03.04, 4:06 AM
Originally posted by McBain
Nice to see you've put that whole situation behind you...
Honestly, this was one of the dumbest posts I've read in a while. Motorhead never said anything like that. He simply wrote his opinion on the topic. That's really what 99% of the posts on this forum are (including this one). I can't believe how upset people got over this...
ive always thought of motorhead as a top bloke...whenever he posts on gear he always offers as much info as possible, and when i pm him he practically writes forever:p
Originally posted by McBain
But that's what I've seen you do in this thread. Your attacks on Motorhead seemed unprovoked from my viewpoint. I'd appreciate if you'd quote the first point in this thread where you feel Motorhead insulted you without being provoked.
McBain, friend, I just want to throw a bit of perspective into this. You've been a relatively short time in comparision to myself and Motorhead. Motorhead, shortly before his first banning, has always disliked me something severe. He has always thrown one-liners at me to agitate me, he even claimed he did this! I know this thread seems like a gang-up on Motorhead, but it's been building for a very long time. We (meaning the people he throws his smarmy insulting one-liners at) are sick of it. If the mods aren't going to do anything about obvious tolling than we are going to have to do it ourselves.
And about scxtt, he's still on my ignore list so, I don't know what he said, but I'm certain it contained something about "thought police" and the way some people "do business", I was probably even mentioned. The guy is insecure about people challenging him, so he is carrying a very large chip on his shoulder. I let it go a month ago and I wonder why he can't. wait, I don't wonder, really.
Matthew17
12.03.04, 6:59 AM
[i]
P.S. (to Matthew17) - Now that Ed Roman has bought Fender and Gibson, does this mean that Squiers and Epiphones will now be made from gay, communist whales from outer space? ;) [/B]
I don't know, maybe I should e-mail him to ask....
sir_flexalot
12.03.04, 7:26 AM
If Fender even offered to buy Gibson, the US Government Anti-monopoly entities would probably step in and have something to say. Fender and Gibson have controlling shares of the market. For example, it would be the same in the car world if a company like Ford tried to buy Dodge.
Matthew17
12.03.04, 8:33 AM
Originally posted by sir_flexalot
If Fender even offered to buy Gibson, the US Government Anti-monopoly entities would probably step in and have something to say. Fender and Gibson have controlling shares of the market. For example, it would be the same in the car world if a company like Ford tried to buy Dodge.
You mean the same anti monopoly entities that allow the same 4/5 companies to own the entire media in the US?
:rolleyes:
Matthew17
12.03.04, 8:41 AM
I just heard that Fender is being bought out by Jimi Hendrix
Originally posted by nobody
McBain, friend, I just want to throw a bit of perspective into this. You've been a relatively short time in comparision to myself and Motorhead. Motorhead, shortly before his first banning, has always disliked me something severe. He has always thrown one-liners at me to agitate me, he even claimed he did this! I know this thread seems like a gang-up on Motorhead, but it's been building for a very long time. We (meaning the people he throws his smarmy insulting one-liners at) are sick of it. If the mods aren't going to do anything about obvious tolling than we are going to have to do it ourselves.
Frankly, I don't care. I know I haven't been here long, but in this thread you guys just ganged up on him, and as it's already been made clear, he didn't even start it. If the mods aren't going to do anything about trolling, you guys should be glad because that's all this thread turned into.
And about scxtt, he's still on my ignore list so, I don't know what he said, but I'm certain it contained something about "thought police" and the way some people "do business", I was probably even mentioned. The guy is insecure about people challenging him, so he is carrying a very large chip on his shoulder. I let it go a month ago and I wonder why he can't. wait, I don't wonder, really.
Well, he did mention the way people "do business" and he mentioned "somebody" which was a reference to you, but there was nothing in his post that looked like an attack. Everything he wrote seemed right on about the way jcyphe was handling this situation. Maybe you should just "unignore" him and start over. I can tell he's got some intelligent things to say, but if you've still got a chip on your shoulder then I know you'll immediately dismiss anything he's got to say, no matter how intelligent or correct it is.
Originally posted by McBain
Frankly, I don't care. I know I haven't been here long, but in this thread you guys just ganged up on him, and as it's already been made clear, he didn't even start it. If the mods aren't going to do anything about trolling, you guys should be glad because that's all this thread turned into.
it turned into a flame war, not a troll fest. There is a difference. My reference to trolling was Motorhead's admittance to saying something just to get my reaction. By definition, that is trolling. But now his tune is changed and his comment was to keep it simple. Which, IMO, makes little sense. Things need to be clear or else too much simplification obfuscates things.
But ultimately, it would be nice if people would own the things they say.
Well, he did mention the way people "do business" and he mentioned "somebody" which was a reference to you, but there was nothing in his post that looked like an attack.
I didn't say there was. Because I don't know. I just know the way he "does business".
Everything he wrote seemed right on about the way jcyphe was handling this situation.
"Seemed" being the operator of the statement. But like I said, there is a level of frustration that translates to these kinds of threads. I do think Jcyphe mishandled his approach, but I also see, very clearly, that Motorhead's replys had even more venom. This doesn't help the situation. So, all in all, there is not one person to point the finger at, discussions go both ways.
Maybe you should just "unignore" him and start over. I can tell he's got some intelligent things to say, but if you've still got a chip on your shoulder then I know you'll immediately dismiss anything he's got to say, no matter how intelligent or correct it is.
I've already tried starting over with him, but the song remains the same. I don't think he has come to terms with the fact that in a public forum, opinions he expresses will be challenged. He will always play the victim of some half-****ed conspiracy he thinks exists. This is evident in his sig file. If he can't let it go and move forward, than I see little reason to think he will make any sincere effort to be an agent of change in this forum. I think it's best for me and the forum if I just cut him out of my life here.
Originally posted by nobody
But ultimately, it would be nice if people would own the things they say.
It'd be nice if everyone dropped it and apologized. Instead people just hit the ignore button and pretend like everything went away. That's too bad.
He will always play the victim of some half-****ed conspiracy he thinks exists.
What conspiracy is that? By the way many people behaved in this thread it's looking like there is some stupid conspiracy. I think it's totally ridiculous the way some people behave on here. GG is a great board, I'll admit that, but people (specifically many of the people with high post counts) treat it like they own it. You said it yourself Nobody, it's a public forum, it doesn't belong to any one member. Nor does it belong to any group of members. You guys basically just turned yourselves into the Geek Gestapo and made it your mission to purge the forum of "trolls." I can respect the fact that you've invested a lot of time into posting here, and I understand that you want to keep it a certain way, but it's not up to anyone but the mods to decide who gets the boot. So you guys can go ahead and keep ignoring people, but you're certainly not helping fix any of the problems.
Originally posted by Alecto
+1. I'm *so* glad you said that, Dr. J. :)
Oh, and ditch the vague threats. I'm not impressed.
You are reading my post with bias. I never threatened anyone. I said "me and my friends have something in the works", and quite frankly it is already working. It has nothing to do with Guitar Geek, You, Motormouth or doing anything to anyone. Vague yes, threat no. A threat implies doing something to somebody which I never did, and will not to do.
Motormouth, a great name for him since he likes to insult people. Let's not forget he also started the name calling with his "Little One" comment. Some of you like him, may not like me, may not know who I am. I don't see what that has to do with the original question of him being a jerk.
I am not on a mission to purge guitar geek. I did not troll Motorhead. He posts in 100's of threads most that have no interest to me. I clicked on this thread because the title was so ridiculous, thinking it was a joke and ready to read some laughs. Then I saw motormouth spewing nonsense. I replied with some facts. He replied with a smart alecky comment which is his M.O. If you don't know this by now, then you don't read the boards. I simply refuse to back down from his brand of "humor" and posting.
Also how can I be trolling Motormouth when I have now decided to put him on Ignore Status? Some people need to take it all in before they try jumping on me with their own biases.
paulandpaul
12.03.04, 1:30 PM
Originally posted by jcyphe
You are reading my post with bias. I never threatened anyone. I said "me and my friends have something in the works", and quite frankly it is already working. It has nothing to do with Guitar Geek, You, Motormouth or doing anything to anyone. Vague yes, threat no. A threat implies doing something to somebody which I never did, and will not to do.
Motormouth, a great name for him since he likes to insult people. Let's not forget he also started the name calling with his "Little One" comment. Some of you like him, may not like me, may not know who I am. I don't see what that has to do with the original question of him being a jerk.
I am not on a mission to purge guitar geek. I did not troll Motorhead. He posts in 100's of threads most that have no interest to me. I clicked on this thread because the title was so ridiculous, thinking it was a joke and ready to read some laughs. Then I saw motormouth spewing nonsense. I replied with some facts. He replied with a smart alecky comment which is his M.O. If you don't know this by now, then you don't read the boards. I simply refuse to back down from his brand of "humor" and posting.
Also how can I be trolling Motormouth when I have now decided to put him on Ignore Status? Some people need to take it all in before they try jumping on me with their own biases.
nice sig;)
Originally posted by McBain
Well, he did mention the way people "do business" and he mentioned "somebody" which was a reference to you, but there was nothing in his post that looked like an attack. Everything he wrote seemed right on about the way jcyphe was handling this situation. Maybe you should just "unignore" him and start over. I can tell he's got some intelligent things to say, but if you've still got a chip on your shoulder then I know you'll immediately dismiss anything he's got to say, no matter how intelligent or correct it is.
I don't know how Sxctt came up in this or what he posted. Knowing him I bet it has little or nothing to do with Gibson or Fender. I remember he likes to insert himself into topics.
He's on my ignore list from a very long thread of 25 or more pages were he was convoluted and maybe even dishonest in his rationale about a Vote he made. I didn't like the Character he displayed in that thread. I Personally no longer see the value of reading anything he has to post. I haven't even mentioned him but somehow his name keeps being brought up in this thread. I have not made him being on my ignore list an issue, he's now a non-issue for me. As Motormouth soon will be now.
The reason for this action is not self-righteousness or the belief I'm policing the board. I just figure that if Motormouth likes to make comments to rile people up, I will take away his audience. If he wants to keep posting insults, GREAT. I will not read them and he will not get the satisfaction of knowing he's being a jerk. Problem Solved.
Originally posted by McBain
[B]It'd be nice if everyone dropped it and apologized.
yet, you are here telling us what to do, keeping it alive.
Originally posted by nobody
yet, you are here telling us what to do, keeping it alive.
What, if it died you would drop it and apologize? That makes no sense Nobody.
Originally posted by jcyphe
I don't know how Sxctt came up in this or what he posted. Knowing him I bet it has little or nothing to do with Gibson or Fender. I remember he likes to insert himself into topics.
Uhm, what does any of this have to do with Gibson or Fender. The thread was derailed long ago...
I haven't even mentioned him but somehow his name keeps being brought up in this thread.
Oops, sorry. I didn't you realize you had to mention somebody before he could post or before somebody could talk about him. You really do think this is your board don't you?
The reason for this action is not self-righteousness or the belief I'm policing the board. I just figure that if Motormouth likes to make comments to rile people up, I will take away his audience. If he wants to keep posting insults, GREAT. I will not read them and he will not get the satisfaction of knowing he's being a jerk. Problem Solved.
You're not taking away his audience, you're just deafening one of it's members. Ignorance never solved any problems.
Originally posted by McBain
What, if it died you would drop it and apologize? That makes no sense Nobody.
I'm sorry, an apology would be insincere since I don't think I have done anything wrong.
And it makes perfect sense, you are helping keep this thread alive, by pointing your finger at only a fraction of the problem. Why don't you ask Motorhead and Scxtt to apologize? wait, they've never done anything to you so they are not at fault. I get it.
Originally posted by nobody
I'm sorry, an apology would be insincere since I don't think I have done anything wrong.
And it makes perfect sense, you are helping keep this thread alive, by pointing your finger at only a fraction of the problem. Why don't you ask Motorhead and Scxtt to apologize? wait, they've never done anything to you so they are not at fault. I get it.
I said I wish "everyone" would drop it and apologize.
Originally posted by McBain
I said I wish "everyone" would drop it and apologize.
In the context of your complete statement, that wasn't what was implied.
"It'd be nice if everyone dropped it and apologized. Instead people just hit the ignore button and pretend like everything went away."
Jcyphe and Myself are the only one's you know of that has used the ignore feature, so your statement automatically singles us out.
Originally posted by jcyphe
You are reading my post with bias. I never threatened anyone. I said "me and my friends have something in the works", and quite frankly it is already working. It has nothing to do with Guitar Geek, You, Motormouth or doing anything to anyone. Vague yes, threat no. A threat implies doing something to somebody which I never did, and will not to do.
I'm reading your posts with context to this thread and no other. I've read your line "me and my friends have something in the works" and it sounded like a threat. You may not have intended it to be such, but your post came off as threatening.
I also highly resent the accusation of bias. I've treated you and Motörhead equally, and my original comment still stands. You came in here looking for a fight. You trolled Motörhead. Here. In this thread.
Motormouth, a great name for him since he likes to insult people. Let's not forget he also started the name calling with his "Little One" comment. Some of you like him, may not like me, may not know who I am. I don't see what that has to do with the original question of him being a jerk.
Your continuing to use "Motormouth" in reference to Motörhead doesn't impress. It doesn't impress me with your maturity, and as a result, it makes me inclined to discount your argument. I've read this thread. Multiple times. He may have started the direct insults with his "Little One" comment, but you started this fight with the tone of your initial posts.
The original question was never about anyone being a jerk. This was about a civil discussion that degenerated into a fight when you started taking shots at one of the other posters.
Once again, I don't like the accusation of bias. I also gave Motörhead hell for this and he thanked me for it in a PM. Motörhead may go for the cheap shot occasionally, but he's man enough to admit when he's wrong.
I am not on a mission to purge guitar geek. I did not troll Motorhead. He posts in 100's of threads most that have no interest to me. I clicked on this thread because the title was so ridiculous, thinking it was a joke and ready to read some laughs. Then I saw motormouth spewing nonsense. I replied with some facts. He replied with a smart alecky comment which is his M.O. If you don't know this by now, then you don't read the boards. I simply refuse to back down from his brand of "humor" and posting.
No, you came in here, read some of Motörhead's comments (for which he had already cheerfully accepted correction from Apathyisok and Phreak) and started swinging. In that context, I'm not surprised he acted in the way he did, and you (given your subsequent comments) would have known that.
I've been through these boards many times (check my post count for proof), and I've talked with Motörhead a lot since signing on. I've never had any issues with him that couldn't be resolved in a friendly manner. However, not everyone gets along. That's what makes life interesting.
Also how can I be trolling Motormouth when I have now decided to put him on Ignore Status? Some people need to take it all in before they try jumping on me with their own biases.
Nice try. I said "trolled", not "trolling". And I am glad you have "now decided to put him on Ignore Status". If you can't be civil around him, I suggest you keep him there.
To reiterate, I don't know about your previous arguments with Motörhead and I don't care. In this thread, you started this fight. End of story.
Originally posted by Alecto
To reiterate, I don't know about your previous arguments with Motörhead and I don't care. In this thread, you started this fight. End of story.
But does it really matter who starts it as long as there are two people fighting? Motorhead could have easily took the high road and refrained from personal attacks and handled it more adult-like.
That's what's bugging me is that people aren't seeing that this thread degenerated just as much from Motorhead's comments as Jcyphe. It also bugs me that people will talk to him in PM about this, but then publically point fingers at Jcyphe. That definitely skews the intent of your statements. You should have PM'd Jcyphe as well, or publically scolded Motorhead, since you're publically scolding Jcyphe.
Originally posted by nobody
It also bugs me that people will talk to him in PM about this, but then publically point fingers at Jcyphe. That definitely skews the intent of your statements. You should have PM'd Jcyphe as well, or publically scolded Motorhead, since you're publically scolding Jcyphe.
No, remember Travis, he has no bias towards me. Lol.
I want to know how I came in here looking for a fight. I posted some info and that's it.
It didn't suprise me Motormouth took exception the way he did because his behavior is so common and predictable.
The Motormouth Fan club can continue to accuse me of whatever they want. My time here speaks for itself. I've usually been a low-key member and even responded civily to Motormouth on other occasions of his jerkness.
I think Travis hit the nail on the head. People want to act a certain way but then won't own up to their actions. Here is another post where Motormouth openly admits enjoyment to watching other members upset (http://guitargeek.com/chat/showthread.php?s=&postid=508136#post508136).
Those talking about PM's and such are barking up the wrong tree. I know if it was me being accused of being rude, and it wasn't my intent or a misunderstanding I would have reached out to the member or members long time ago. Motormouth hasn't because he is unapologetic. So why should I approach him to work it out?
Originally posted by nobody
Motorhead could have easily took the high road and refrained from personal attacks and handled it more adult-like.
That's true. However, in this thread (and I am only discussing this thread), Motörhead was behaving himself until Jcyphe started antagonizing him. I'm not saying Motörhead wasn't culpable, but this never would have happened if it wasn't for Jcyphe.
That's what's bugging me is that people aren't seeing that this thread degenerated just as much from Motorhead's comments as Jcyphe.
Maybe others haven't but I have. I have tried to be as even-handed as I possibly could, and I feel my comments have reflected that. Remember, I was originally trying to stop this war.
And while we're at it: Scxtt, I'm not happy that you brought all this **** back up again. Things were calming down until you posted.
It also bugs me that people will talk to him in PM about this, but then publically point fingers at Jcyphe. That definitely skews the intent of your statements. You should have PM'd Jcyphe as well, or publically scolded Motorhead, since you're publically scolding Jcyphe.
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I did publically scold Motörhead in a previous post. He thanked me for it in a PM.
If it appears that I came down harder on Jcyphe, that's because one generally comes down harder on the instigator of a brawl. That's true in law as in life.
To reiterate, I am *not* saying Motörhead didn't contribute to this thread degenerating. He did. However, after reading this thread multiple times, I stand by my statement. This war wouldn't have happened if Jcyphe hadn't started it.
Originally posted by jcyphe
No, remember Travis, he has no bias towards me. Lol.
Actually, I don't. But if you want a self-fulfilling prophecy, I can furnish you with one.
Translation: snide comments like that don't help your cause.
Originally posted by Alecto
This war wouldn't have happened if Jcyphe hadn't started it.
Nonsense. I told him he had no idea what he was talking about in the subject matter. AND HE DID NOT. He tried to bully his way around it by saying his info was right, while mocking me. I think, he then admitted he was wrong, mockingly.
It just shows his pattern of stupidity. Yes, I did call him out for being wrong rather bluntly. I did not call him names or antagonize him until he started with the name calling and flaunting his so called "Expertise" while trying oh so hard to knock me down a peg.
How you fail to see this is beyond me.
Originally posted by Matthew17
I just heard that Fender is being bought out by Jimi Hendrix
No, they're actually being bought by . . . MICROSOFT! :eek:
Coming soon, the Bill Gates Stratocaster! With included Windows XP, Internet Explorer, and other fine, Microsoft products, and guaranteed to crash when you least expect it!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
Originally posted by Matthew17
You mean the same anti monopoly entities that allow the same 4/5 companies to own the entire media in the US?
Touché :)
Originally posted by nobody
In the context of your complete statement, that wasn't what was implied.
"It'd be nice if everyone dropped it and apologized. Instead people just hit the ignore button and pretend like everything went away."
Jcyphe and Myself are the only one's you know of that has used the ignore feature, so your statement automatically singles us out.
Finally you admit it. "Everyone," much like "all things," can mean different things when taken in context. :p j/k, I don't want to go there, but I couldn't help myself.
Anyways, yeah, I didn't say that very well. I think it'd be nice if everyone apologized, but I'm not making anyone do anything. But I think using the ignore button is rather stupid.
Originally posted by McBain
Anyways, yeah, I didn't say that very well. I think it'd be nice if everyone apologized, but I'm not making anyone do anything. But I think using the ignore button is rather stupid.
The ignore feature is great. It stops the temptation to reply and cause more threads like this. Trust me, it's for the best that some people ignore other people. No matter who apologizes to whom, people won't change, so it's best that if someone is obnoxious, just put them on the ignore list and it's over. I tried the whole starting over thing with scxtt, and it didn't work, the song remained the same, so I put him on my list. Problem solved.
But I still don't think people who haven't done anything wrong should apologize, it would be insincere and dishonest to do so.
Originally posted by nobody
But I still don't think people who haven't done anything wrong should apologize, it would be insincere and dishonest to do so.
I agree, but some people were blatantly out of line in this thread (me included). I for one would like to see some apologies. I'm not asking anyone to apologize, just saying it would be nice.
On that note, I would like to apologize to Jcyphe. I got a little out of line shortly after I started posting on this thread. I haven't been on this board for a very long time and haven't really had any discussions with you since I joined (Of course, "a very long time" could mean different things to me, the Goldman Sachs Group, and you ;) ). I just saw you making comments about Motorhead that made absolutely no sense to me (they still don't) and so I reacted. Some of the things I said were uncalled for, and I'm sorry.
Matthew17
12.03.04, 5:30 PM
Originally posted by Alecto
No, they're actually being bought by . . . MICROSOFT! :eek:
Coming soon, the Bill Gates Stratocaster! With included Windows XP, Internet Explorer, and other fine, Microsoft products, and guaranteed to crash when you least expect it!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
But the StratocastXP allows you to multi-task!
Like a cheap hooker owned by a dodgy pimp....I'm sold
But hey, guitars that crash unexpectedly? sounds like Epiphone to me:D At least with my experience!
Motorhead
12.03.04, 6:11 PM
Originally posted by McBain
I agree, but some people were blatantly out of line in this thread (me included). I for one would like to see some apologies. I'm not asking anyone to apologize, just saying it would be nice.
I'm sorry for making Geeks feel they said things that they now feel that they should not have.
Jcyphe, I'm sorry for calling you a 'Little one' for you obviously have more energy and drive than I have.
I won't be on this board very often until after xmas so let's please stop tossing ping-pong balls at each other.
Sincerely,
Pete
Originally posted by McBain
I would like to apologize to Jcyphe.
Apology accepted, you're ok in my book. :)
McBain --
Well, he did mention the way people "do business" and he mentioned "somebody" which was a reference to you, but there was nothing in his post that looked like an attack.very true, i was being as indifferent as possible, considering my past w/ jcyphe and nobody ... i don't think they're "evil" in a general sense (so i don't troll them 'no matter what' they post) - but if i see them doing "thought policing" - i'll call them on it ... not all the time, just when i feel it's appropriate ... which is the direction jcyphe was heading w/ his posts early on ... jcyphe dug his own hole when he decided to make his "i work for the phone company" post - he seems to think he resides on some moral high ground, and his posts become tedious as a result ...
and i find it very humorous how proud he is of his ignore list ... he outta put it in his sig, since it seems to define him now ...nobody --
And about scxtt, he's still on my ignore list so, I don't know what he said, but I'm certain it contained something about "thought police" and the way some people "do business", I was probably even mentioned.i think you've been peeking ... ;) ... yeah, i used those terms, with no more frequency than you use "strawman" and "logical fallacy" - cause it's true ...The guy is insecure about people challenging him, so he is carrying a very large chip on his shoulder.complete nonsense ... and if i was insecure, why would i have a large chip on my shoulder? if i didn't like being "proven wrong", why would i post anything, especially if it's "my opinion"? ... i won't get into details - mainly cause you can't see this - but you really should stop saying bad things about my character - i don't do it to you ... you've already proven to me that you're not as "high and mighty" as you claim to be or try and lead people to believe, so drop this "scxtt is this/that" charade ...I let it go a month ago and I wonder why he can't. wait, I don't wonder, really.i never had anything to let go - i'm not the one who thought the only recourse is to "ignore" someone ... all you've proven is that you can't "handle" me - and i'm hardly a difficult person ... you just don't like that i don't accept you as "supreme ruler" - plain and simple ... i've stated before that i don't mind you so much, and i think we'd get along fine in "real life" - but you're unable to extend anything approximating courtesy ... for you life is 100% "TRUTH" and "INTERNET LINKS" ...I've already tried starting over with him, but the song remains the same.HA! you hardly tried ... the "i voted" thread speaks for itself - since we discussed our supposed truce ... you just can't accept that a person doesn't take what you say/provide links for as TRUTH ... so you label me and cast me aside - i don't care, particularly since you bear no impact on my life, but i have no probs discussing it in threads when my name is mentioned ...I don't think he has come to terms with the fact that in a public forum, opinions he expresses will be challenged.you can say that 1,000,000 more times and it still won't be true ... i'm more than aware that my opinions are going to be challenged, but the challenge doesn't mean that i have to "lay down" and accept someone else's version of the truth ... this goes for all our "quotefests" which basically come down to personal preference ... i'm not gonna accept your truth cause you say it's fact ...He will always play the victim of some half-****ed conspiracy he thinks exists.you really should look into fiction writing - you're good! ;)This is evident in his sig file. If he can't let it go and move forward, than I see little reason to think he will make any sincere effort to be an agent of change in this forum.as soon as the TP loosen their grip, i'll change my sig ... it's the same as what happened w/ Surf, just cause you're "ashamed" of the past, doesn't mean i have to change what i posted ...I think it's best for me and the forum if I just cut him out of my life here.that's a shame, cause i think we can get along just fine, as soon as you stop cramming your thoughts into other people's brains ... you're an intelligent person, but that's not enough ...jcyphe --
I don't know how Sxctt came up in this or what he posted. Knowing him I bet it has little or nothing to do with Gibson or Fender. I remember he likes to insert himself into topics.not true @ all - but i have decided to "speak up" if i feel like it - that should sound familiar to you, you've said the same thing ... He's on my ignore list from a very long thread of 25 or more pages were he was convoluted and maybe even dishonest in his rationale about a Vote he made.translation: i didn't agree w/ him + his links and he couldn't accept that ... he presented a good case, but his "goal" was flawed ...I didn't like the Character he displayed in that thread.cause i don't assimilate to your feelings?I Personally no longer see the value of reading anything he has to post.well you know me so well since we don't agree on guns and gay marriage :rolleyes: ...I haven't even mentioned him but somehow his name keeps being brought up in this thread.you're not the center of the universe my friend ...nobody --
Why don't you ask Motorhead and Scxtt to apologize?what did i do to you? not agree w/ you? "sorry" ...Alectro --
And while we're at it: Scxtt, I'm not happy that you brought all this **** back up again. Things were calming down until you posted.i respect that, and i thought about not saying anything - but ignoring the TP won't make them stop what they're doing ... i read a thread where someone made reference to this one, so i checked it out - then decided to add my 2 cents ... i guess i'll say "it's a free country" - but not to spite you ... i don't care so much that people argue - but the thought policing gets on my nerves ... i don't even expect it to stop, but i won't sit back and watch it happen to other board members ...nobody --
I tried the whole starting over thing with scxtt, and it didn't work, the song remained the same, so I put him on my list.you call that "trying"?
:D
maggot_b
12.03.04, 6:30 PM
^^^
Who else can't be bothered to read all of that?
NEWSFLASH: FENDER DID BUY GIBSON AND YNGWIE MALMSTEEN NOW USES A SQUIER SHOWMASTER, AND HE'S NOT FAT!!!
davil100
12.03.04, 7:18 PM
Originally posted by sickwindsor
Hey look your shoes untied.(WACK!).Dont be so gullible McFly!
great movie.
why dont they play the second one that much on TBS?
Doctor J
12.03.04, 7:20 PM
Originally posted by maggot_b
NEWSFLASH: FENDER DID BUY GIBSON AND YNGWIE MALMSTEEN NOW USES A SQUIER SHOWMASTER, AND HE'S NOT FAT!!!
Lies, lies, lies!! :D
sweeppicker
12.03.04, 7:35 PM
Originally posted by maggot_b
[BHE'S NOT FAT!!! [/B]
Well, there was a thread about that one awhile ago, Ynwie is losing weight. :p
To the rest of you: stop bitching! ALL OF YOU. DROP IT AND MOVE ON. We all have our opinions, but, we all agree that GG needs some improvement. This type of threads isn't an improvement.
I'm outta here!
See ya sometime! :cool:
Stratesquire
12.03.04, 8:40 PM
See, I've noticed something while I've been a member of GuitarGeek: for some reason, whenever I post something in a thread, the thread tends to die. I'm sure there's some form of name for this, in 'cyber-tongue.'
I know my post count is low, but I come here a lot, and I read a lot, and I have learned a lot from GuitarGeek.
Off the top of my head, I can count at least three major players in this thread who have answered many of my questions, and given excellent advice to me over the past couple of years: nobody, Motorhead, and scxtt have all proven to be very welcome additions to this board (IMO.) It's kind of a shame that some people here don't get along, but that tends to be the way of things. Life goes on.
I tend to be a completist, so if I open a thread, I usually read the whole thing, start to finish, just in case I miss something worthwhile, even if I never add my two cents (usually, I don't.) There was nothing of use in this thread. If there ever was a thread that deserved to die, it's this one. So, for once, I'm glad to be putting in my two cents.
Now, can we talk about the history of Jimmy Page's Telecaster?
or can somebody tell me how to get a Cherry Red Gibson Les Paul?
or can we extoll the virtues of the Fender Jazzmaster's trem?
or can somebody suggest to me a backup for my Traynor Bass-Master head?
or can anyone tell me why the JEM has that stupid handle?
or can somebody give me one good reason why I shouldn't buy a Rte 66?
or has anybody played a Fender Hwy 1 Texas Tele, opinions?
Any of these new topics will do nicely.
Esq. :)
fiveways
12.04.04, 12:26 AM
dear scxtt:
GIVE IT ****ING UP.
You're on everyones ignore list. Please stop. Thanks.
dear fiveways:
i'm hardly on the crusade that a few others (possibly including yourself) are ...
was there a point to your post? the 2 times you've "talked" to me, you've had nothing worthwhile to say - do i do that to you? sure i could, but there's nothing for me to gain by doing it - think about that ... and also think that even though that post of yours had NO POINT - couldn't you have PM'd it to me? what's that, you were trying to be clever? eh, it needs work ;) ...You're on everyones ignore list.HA! i find that to be doubtful ... actually, i hope everyone w/ a post count from 7000 to infinity puts me on their ignore list, i'm tired of reading about them yearning for "the good old days", when GG was their own and shoegaze was all the rage ...Please stop.stop what? ... and even if there was a "what" - why do i have to do what you say?
lucky13sp
12.04.04, 1:12 AM
Originally posted by ikkyu2
Haha!
Not only did Fender buy Gibson, but they've discontinued all their other guitars in favor of the Tom DeLonge Signature Model.
the ****in apocolypse is upon us now!
lol nice one ikkyu2 :)
satchaholic
12.04.04, 2:09 AM
whewwww *wipes forehead*
that was like an action novel...
*page 1* started out slow, typical situation then BAM a little hostility...
*page 2* now the slinging of accusations and names... (i go get popcorn at htis point and turn the lights down a little lower)
*page 3* seems like a conclusion has been reached and then BAM it gets sparked again (*gets more popcorn*)
*page 4* we realize that i have no life for actually reading all 4 pages... sigh
ah well.. thanks for the 32 minutes of suspenseful, action-packed reading lying herein this thread... heh.. i really am a loser lmao
on a side note, that microsoft **** had me laughin for a good 5 minutes... lol
This thread needs to be locked. I can't believe I spent such a long time reading this entire thread. I truly have no life. OH, and what's so funny bout pease love and understanding? anybody? nobody? sigh* I'm hungry. I'm gonna go eat. Anyone up for a few tacos? it's on me.
Matthew17
12.04.04, 4:49 AM
The latest on Fender....
Today Fender are being bought by Bob Dole
nuff said
Talent?!
12.04.04, 7:42 AM
Originally posted by Stratesquire
or can anyone tell me why the JEM has that stupid handle?
Since it's designed for Steve Vai, it doesn't need to make sense or not look tacky, I mean floral guitars :rolleyes: (Disclaimer: I love most of Vai's music and wish I could play a lot of it, but he can look silly occasionally, see also : Malmsteen, Yngwie J. Batio; Micheal A ;) )
Originally posted by Talent?!
Since it's designed for Steve Vai, it doesn't need to make sense or not look tacky, I mean floral guitars :rolleyes: (Disclaimer: I love most of Vai's music and wish I could play a lot of it, but he can look silly occasionally, see also : Malmsteen, Yngwie J. Batio; Micheal A ;) )
Or, put it another way, it was the 80's! :eek: :D
Originally posted by scxtt
...i respect that, and i thought about not saying anything - but ignoring the TP won't make them stop what they're doing ... i read a thread where someone made reference to this one, so i checked it out - then decided to add my 2 cents ... i guess i'll say "it's a free country" - but not to spite you ... i don't care so much that people argue - but the thought policing gets on my nerves ...
Scxtt - Fair enough. And as you can see, I wasn't immune to jumping in this sucker myself! :D I also wished to make clear to all and sundry that I wasn't blindly taking sides, that I was expressing my opinion as to how all this went down. And while we're at it, I'm not impressed with the whole "if you're not with me, you're against me" attitude that some board members appear to possess; an attitude shared by spoiled children and George W. Bush. So, while I wasn't happy that the wrangling came back I respect your desire to deal with issues that concern you. No hard feelings.
P.S. - I may not agree with you all the time, but you're not on my "Ignore List". :)
Jcyphe - Sorry, I can't agree. I read your initial statements yet again and no matter who those posts were directed against (Motörhead, Nobody, myself, whoever), they would have had a right to be pissed off. I have no opinion of you as a person (I barely know you) but I still feel you behaved badly on this thread. You're more than welcome to disagree, and if you want to "agree to disagree" I have no problem with that. I'm willing to drop this if you are.
Matthew17 - I'm sorry, your information was incorrect. Yesterday, Fender announced that they had been bought out by . . . REV. JERRY FALWELL!!!! :eek: :D
Reading from a prepared statement, the Rev. Falwell said, "We will no longer be making guitars in purple, or any other 'faggy' colours, since everyone knows that promoting homosexuality will send you straight to Hell. We have also eliminated any signature models by black artists like Robert Cray and Albert Collins, since everyone knows that black people's skins are stained by the sins that they have committed. Praise the Lord and Hallellujah!" :p
(don't worry guys, that was a joke)
maggot_b
12.04.04, 3:45 PM
Originally posted by sweeppicker
Well, there was a thread about that one awhile ago, Ynwie is losing weight. :p
Yea I saw it, but i was waiting for some Yngwie fanatic to UNLEASH THE FOOKIN FURY on me.
Matthew17
12.04.04, 4:40 PM
Originally posted by Alecto
guitars in purple
What the hell is a guitar?
Maw! MAW!!!
MAW!!!
GIT OUT MAH ASBESTIS PEEJAY'S MAW, WE'RE GOIN' TO THE FLAME PARTY!!
WOOO HOOO!
Originally posted by Matthew17
What the hell is a guitar?
Oooh, you used bad language, Fender Moral Majority Musical Instruments won't sell to you.
Coming soon from FMMMI:
The Jesus Strat: White and gold with Stations of the Cross inlay on the fretboard!
The St. Peter P-Bass: Completely the opposite from the Jesus Strat! (because Pete would've wanted it that way)
The Hail Mary Tele: Blue-and-white paint scheme with a virgin maple neck!
The Judas Jaguar: With custom "30 pieces of silver" inlay and occasional tendency to go out of tune! (Will betray you when you least expect it)
The Joan of Arc Jazz Bass: with special "armour graphic"! You'll definitely hear voices when you play this bass! (not flame-resistant)
Matthew17
12.05.04, 3:38 AM
Originally posted by Alecto
Oooh, you used bad language, Fender Moral Majority Musical Instruments won't sell to you.
....My cat's name is Mittens
Originally posted by Matthew17
....My cat's name is Mittens
I turned my cat into mittens. :D
sirterrapin
12.06.04, 4:13 AM
I don't have a cat, nor do I have mittens. I wish we were communist so I could have one of Alecto's cat-mittens...
thefuryiswithin
12.06.04, 2:52 PM
Originally posted by scxtt
... actually, i hope everyone w/ a post count from 7000 to infinity puts me on their ignore list, i'm tired of reading about them yearning for "the good old days", when GG was their own and shoegaze was all the rage ...
one thing im actually concerned about is some gg's with several thousand posts seem to thing they are better or higher up in the 'guitargeek hierarchy', and use the fact that some people havent been here for as long (in some cases only a few months shorter) or dont have as much posts so therefore they are lower down on the 'food chain', and shouldnt be given as much respect or something.thoughts?
Originally posted by Alecto
I turned my cat into mittens. :D
Kittens?
Originally posted by Frinky
Kittens?
Yes, it was a sweet little fuzzy kitten with big eyes and a cute little expression on its fuzzy little face. But now it keeps me and my 25 year old boneless cat toasty-oasty warm in winter. And it tasted great with a nice garlic wine sauce! :D :p
Yeah, there is an understandable tendency to say "I know more than you, look at my 10,000+ post count". That said, I've learned just as much from people with less than 25 posts as from people with massive post counts.
Originally posted by Alecto
Yeah, there is an understandable tendency to say "I know more than you, look at my 10,000+ post count".
I'd be very interested to see where anyone has made this sort of statement, direct or implied.
I get the feeling we are heading into a situation where arguments are being misunderstood or ignored and in the absence of the real meaning, a more desirable, easier to argue against, perception is being inserted to make those accused look more foolish or less reasonable than they really are.
PageKillsHalen
12.06.04, 7:02 PM
Its amazing how far this thread is going.
PageKillsHalen
12.06.04, 7:03 PM
Its amazing how far this thread is going.
PageKillsHalen
12.06.04, 7:03 PM
Its amazing how far this thread is going.
Originally posted by nobody
I'd be very interested to see where anyone has made this sort of statement, direct or implied.
I get the feeling we are heading into a situation where arguments are being misunderstood or ignored and in the absence of the real meaning, a more desirable, easier to argue against, perception is being inserted to make those accused look more foolish or less reasonable than they really are.
Okaaaayyyyyy . . . I'm just going to step back, waaaayyyy back from you there, Lady MacBeth.
Originally posted by PageKillsHalen
Its amazing how far this thread is going.
I was thinking more about how stupid it is that this thread is still going.
...of course I'm playing a part in that stupidity now...:rolleyes:
Originally posted by Alecto
Okaaaayyyyyy . . . I'm just going to step back, waaaayyyy back from you there, Lady MacBeth.
Lady Macbeth??
Anyway, accusations have been made, let's see some support for them.
Even I'm confused as to how Nobody resembles Lady MacBeth in speech or character. Perhaps he hasn't read MacBeth. That or misunderstood the character of Lady MacBeth.
Phreak --
Even I'm confused as to how Nobody resembles Lady MacBeth in speech or character. Perhaps he hasn't read MacBeth. That or misunderstood the character of Lady MacBeth.i can kinda see it - especially in the context of Nobody's "i'd be very interested . . ." post ... i wouldn't accuse him of it overall, but he seemed to feel the need to speak up for all "10,000+" posters as if he needed to squash this idea of superiority they [may]/[may not] have before the idea spreads ... Lady Macbeth was guilty of conspiring in murder and her guilt cause her to act in an abnormal manner, act in ways that weren't necessary to sooth her own conscience ...
VillageIdiot
12.07.04, 4:07 AM
This thread is like a prime example of GG's downfall... its all just too much.
Too much ego/angst/whatever for this board to hold.
Something needs to happen or its all going down...
...suck it down, flush it down...
Matthew17
12.07.04, 5:40 AM
i heard that fender were being bought out by 'Kraftwerk' and from now on, all strats and teles are being made into computer for our electronic music needs...
TRANS EUROPE EXRESS
sirterrapin
12.07.04, 2:05 PM
I had a great idea. everyone can, instead of posting on this thread, go out and work just a little bit more, and then for each post on this thread, the poster can send me one us dollar towards buying Kid BS's Jubilee. Isn't that a great idea? Everyone wins!(alecto, you can just send me a kitten mitten.)
DavyBoy721
05.18.05, 9:27 PM
(coughs) STONER HAHA................i think you're right........but in my opinion they should all make one big organization...;)
DavyBoy721
05.18.05, 9:35 PM
Originally posted by TryHonesty
A company called Blade did some rather nice 'superstrat' copies (or improvements), with EMGs and sweet tremelos and so on, and got sued for headstock copyright infringement, so they changed it in the american versions, and sales instantly fell, because even a slight difference from the original Fender design means people assume it's inferior.
just checked out their website.....
http://www.bladeguitarsus.com/guitars.html
the headstocks all fade so you can't see them......besides on the home page....
but look like very nice guitars wouldn't mind tryin one
DavyBoy721
05.18.05, 9:39 PM
Originally posted by TryHonesty
A company called Blade did some rather nice 'superstrat' copies (or improvements), with EMGs and sweet tremelos and so on, and got sued for headstock copyright infringement, so they changed it in the american versions, and sales instantly fell, because even a slight difference from the original Fender design means people assume it's inferior.
just checked out their website.....
http://www.bladeguitarsus.com/guitars.html
the headstocks all fade so you can't see them......besides on the home page....
but look like very nice guitars wouldn't mind tryin one
wait......
this page shows it better
http://www.bladeguitars.com/guitargallery.html
DavyBoy721
05.18.05, 9:39 PM
Originally posted by TryHonesty
A company called Blade did some rather nice 'superstrat' copies (or improvements), with EMGs and sweet tremelos and so on, and got sued for headstock copyright infringement, so they changed it in the american versions, and sales instantly fell, because even a slight difference from the original Fender design means people assume it's inferior.
just checked out their website.....
http://www.bladeguitarsus.com/guitars.html
the headstocks all fade so you can't see them......besides on the home page....
but look like very nice guitars wouldn't mind tryin one
wait......
this page shows it better
http://www.bladeguitars.com/guitargallery.html
theripper
05.18.05, 10:36 PM
does anyone else think its strange that fender only sues companys for copying the headstock shape when they did it themselves.
http://www.stratcollector.com/newsdesk/archives/000103.html
look at the bottom
Dillholio
05.18.05, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by theripper
does anyone else think its strange that fender only sues companys for copying the headstock shape when they did it themselves.
http://www.stratcollector.com/newsdesk/archives/000103.html
look at the bottom
Didn't Fender Corp. send Leo Fender a cease & decist for calling his G&L teles "Broadcasters" back in the 80's, based on the original name for the Tele? Which is ironic, since Gretsch originally asked Leo politely in '50's to re-name its guitar due to its Broadcaster drum line at the time.
Don't you love corporate arrogance?
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