Which one should I buy

[GUitarNoyes6]

Hello all,
I am obviously guitarnoyes6, and I have a question?
I am looking into gettin a half stack, but im havin some headaches!
By your simple opinion which cabinet do you think I should go for and why? :

Marshall JCM2000 TSL100
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier
Mesa/Boogie Triple Rectifier


If I get a Marshall I will get the Marshall 1960AV 4 x 12 Speakers (which have the Celestion G12 Vintage 70W Speakers)

And
If I get a Mesa/Boogie I will get the Mesa/Boogie Recto 4 x 12 Traditional Slant (which have the Celestion Vintage 30 Speakers)
If anybody could make a reply it will be greatly appreciated!!!

[ozrules]

I would recommend a peavey 5150I or II and cabinet to match it. They sound so good and they have more gain stages then a mesa or marshall. You get a noise reducer and an additional eq and you got a phenomenal sound especially with a prs and some effects in front of it.

Robert

[GUitarNoyes6]

i love the marshalls and mesa/boogie sounds so much though, what kinda music do you play??

[ozrules]

I play hard rock, metal, rock, emo, punk, jazz, I try to shred. things like that.

Robert

[GUitarNoyes6]

i play any kinda rock not much into the soft rock or punk rock ,and i like some metal , but i just feel more comfortable with one of the four cabinets i selected just bent on which one i should buy

thanks

[ozrules]

Ok I would get a marshall 1960 cab they run for like 500-600 new.

That is the choice I would have you can use that marshall for any amp head and it still sounds good. I like the sound of the marshall but my 5150 blows out all the others.

Robert

[GUitarNoyes6]

what kind of speakers does it have

[ozrules]

Well the 1960AV/BV cabinets have 70 watt celestion/vintage speakers.

robert

[GUitarNoyes6]

im sorry i meant the 5150's

[ozrules]

They have sheffield speakers.

Robert

[TaySte_2000]

What about a mesa boggie road king five separate gain channels.
Or line 6 head and cab I've heard them they have amazing tone.
You said you play jazz well I wouldn't recomend marshall or mesa boogie for that maybe a fender, or a roland jc-120 jazz combo.

Hope this helps.

[Tall Midget]

mmm jc-120 jazz combo...

Well you could always check out some reviews at Harmony Central (www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data/) but the problem with those is that most of the people that review there is that unless its really a total piece of crap they give it a good review because they decided to buy it (Why do they give it a good review if they buy it? Because they like the sound/features/tone of it in the first place) But your opinion is most important, You could try wearing a blind fold and playing through diffrent amps with the assistance of a friend or someone who works at the store and pick it out like that.

About the line 6 head and cab, I bet you can find lots of good tones that you like but only use 2 or 3 of them and disregard the rest. Same as with any other amp. Im not really a big fan of line 6 products because of the time it takes to dial in a good tone from so many diffrent combinations, Im just more of a plug it in and play kind of guy.

[GUitarNoyes6]

Im like you Tall Midget I dont like the line 6 products cuz they look to digitalized and not true to the tone but i think i made my decision somewhere between last night and today, but i think im going to go for the mesa/boogie triple rectifier

[ozrules]

Why don't you get the dual rectifier becuase the triple is just too loud.

Robert

[andrewhw2nw]

hey man.

DON'T buy a line 6. It's too digital for stage and it doesn't fill the mix like a good tube amp does.

You want a vintage/gain hybrid? Get a Mesa Dual Rectifier Maverick. It's a vintage head, 2 channel. The clean channel is beautiful and can be pushed too for bluesy. It's basically carrying the boutique sound without the price tage. Then flip it to the lead channel. Oh god it justs rocks. It has a killer recto tone. The only thing I don't like about the chrome recitifier heads are that there is just TOO much gain. I play some hard rock too besides jazz stuff, and when I played the regular recto in the store I didn't even need it to turn the gain past 10 o clock. The Maverick gets very saturated when all the way up but you probably won't need any more. This amp is an awesome amp.

So in all, get a Mesa Dual Rectifier Maverick.


oh about the cabs I play my mesa through a marshall cab and boy it's nice. My rig gets tossed from gig to gig and rocks hard and long.
But get the mesa 4x12. Built to last and sounds great. If you don't need that much power get a 2x12 closed back I like those.

mmmm...tone. :-)

[GUitarNoyes6]

ozrules?? what do you mean the triple is too loud i dont quite understand. does the amp push too much power or is the distortion not quite as fat and have an overall loudness to it or what ?

thanks

[dimebag]

If you have the money then definately get the Mesa Boogies. Try out the dual and the triple rectifier to see which one you like best.

[Malcolm203]

I personally think you should put the Mesa alongside the Marshall and try them both out. As far as the Triple Rectifier being too loud, I agree. Our other guitarist has a Triple, and damn. He doesn't get to put that thing past 3 or 4. The louder you turn the amp up, the more you're pushing the tubes and you'd be getting more of the true tube tone. A triple is 150 watts. Go for a 100 watt amp. You will never need more than that. Anytime you play out you'll be mic'ed most likely.

I play in a loud band, and my 60 watt head wasn't enough so i upgraded to a 100watter (through an old marshall cab). I'd say, bring your guitar, and plug in...see where you can dial in your sound and what amp is comfortable, tone-wise. The Marshalls and the Mesas are 2 completely different amps, but they're both good amps, so I think you're in the right area.

[GUitarNoyes6]

so then does that raise the question instead of getting a Mesa 150watt triple rectifier with 3 channels i should get the 100watt dual rectifier?

and i heard that mesa makes a 3 channel dual rec.

besides having another channel whats the difference between the 3 channel dual and the 2 channel dual? (if there is one)

[guitargeek]

If you're going to jump into the big-watt world of 100-150 watt amps, i'd suggest pulling a few tubes or getting some sort of power soak device like the Marshall Powerbrake. This will allow you to push the tubes for maximum tone while saving your hearing...

Guitargeek

[Malcolm203]

Ok, as far as channels go: thats entirely up to you. It depends on the music you're playing. I had a three channel amp, but between the three channel switches, fx loop, reverb....it was too much. I don't want to have to think about stepping on the right button when i'm out there. Plus, i was only using one of the lead channels anyways, so it made sense for me to trade in for a 2 channel amp.

The 2 channel Dual rec (and triple, for that matter) arent' made anymore, from what i understand, however you may be able to pick one up used. Marshall makes both 2 and three channel amps...both at 100 watts and 50 (or 60 watts). Personally, I like having the headroom of 100 watts, I know i need it, the lesser amp was already at 9 or 10 and i was feeding back constantly.

As far as pulling tubes and powerbrakes go, they are a good idea (remember to pull the two outer power tubes, or the two inner tubes *only*. No mixing and matching.). Although, i did hear a rumor that powerbrakes burn tubes out faster than normal. Anybody know if there's any truth to this?

[GUitarNoyes6]

I think i have made my decision final. I am going to get the Mesa/Boogie Triple Rectifier with the Mesa/Boogie 4 x 12 Recto, not sure about the Traditional Slant or the Standard slant, any comments on the difference? I think the major difference is the size between the two.

Thanks

[guitargeek]

the brakes/load boxes do take a toll on the tubes but no different than cranking the amp without the brake/load box. i'd rather have good tone and lower volume with the brake than good tone at ear splitting volumes...

[Jez Sullivan]

I own the TSL-60 watt head & 4 x 12. I would personally go for the TSL-100 its like mine but has the seperate EQ's for the crunch/Lead channels.

If you don't need three channells buy a DSL. I've always used marshalls. I know you Americans like to slag them off but at the Price point there unbeatable. Peavey's 5150 is nice. But Peavey are a brand that has struggled to make upmarket amps. I mean who uses peavey amps from the 80's. But people always use JCM800's.

[GUitarNoyes6]

What would be some good break boxes for a Mesa/Boogie Triple Rectifier???

[Lord Tone]

If you like Mesa Boogie, their older stuff sounds much better. Try to find an old used Mark III. Marshall and Mesa Boogie sound SO much different.
Call Stu at www.fatsoundguitars.com he helped me out alot just by talking on the phone with him, and all I bought from them was a wah! He's a nice guy.
I've got a Genz Benz 212 Flex Cabinet that eats Marshall and Mesa cabinets for dinner....the only one that could hang was a Bogner. The Genz Benz is ported so it sounds huge and is much cheaper than a 412.
If you get a Marshall, get a Silver Jubilee - the best Marshall's made in 30 years.

[GUitarNoyes6]

Thanks for the reply that you sent in but im dead set on getting the Mesa/Boogie Triple Rectifier, and I can't wait till I get enough money, but i once again thank everyone who has helped on the way, if there are some addons that you think would be cool to place along side with the mesa or even in the mesa then please feel free to speak, but thanks once again


Later

[noxonexisxsafe]

I think you should get a Marshall TSL-100 or even the 60-watt version. You'll get a great sound without having to break all your windows. What guitar are you using/planning to use with this half-stack anyway.

[GUitarNoyes6]

Hopefully a prs, or a gibson les paul

[doug deeper]

i think you should try and get your own sound....marshalls and boogies have been done....be a leader....ive had a jcm800,a jmp 50 watt,a 5150.....and you know what i use now? a fender music master bass amp!!!and i love it...if you want a "tuff guy"sound...
get a jtm45 and a couple tube screamers.....real tube amps are always the "tuff"ones...
but thats just what i think....have fun boogie boy!!!
doug deeper

[Hidell]

Do yourself a huge favour, go play a Bogner Shiva Head. It may take alot to find one to try but trust me, it will be WELL worth it! I play a PRS SingleCut of a Gibson Les Paul Custom through it and it kicks!