Joy Division

[AcquiredTaste]

O.K., let me preface this by saying that I put this off for way too long now, and I apologize. The customs document that I took all of this (except the info at the bottom from) is from/for a tour in 1980. Was this prep for the American Tour that never happened since Ian Curtis hung himself? Maybe. However its the only list of gear I've ever seen written out, so I organized it under band member (some of it being a guess, some being from pictures I've seen). Anyway I'm sure I'll reply to this post a few times, so here is the meat, please make sure to see the notes section at the bottom:


Joy Division - Circa 1980

Stephen Morris

Snares
Gretsch 14" x 5" Chrome/Brass Snare
Gretsch 14" x 5 1/2" Chrome/Wood Snare

Drums
Gretsch Walnut 22" x 18" Bass Drum
Gretsch Walnut 14" x 14" Double Headed Tom Tom
Gretsch Walnut 16" x 16" Double Headed Tom Tom
Gretsch Walnut 12" x 8" Concert Tom Tom
Gretsch Walnut 13" x 9" Concert Tom Tom
Gretsch Walnut 14" x 10" Concert Tom Tom
Gretsch Walnut 15" x 12" Concert Tom Tom


Cymbals
14" Avedis Zildjian Crash Cymbal
18" Avedis Zildjian Crash/Ride Cymbal
14" Avedis Zildjian Flat Hi-Hat Cymbals
20" Paiste Medium Cymbal
20" Avedis Zildjian Earth Ride Cymbal


Hardware, Drum Synths, etc...
(2) Premier 252 Bass Drum Pedals
(2) Rogers Memrilock Straight Cymbal Stands
Rogers Memrilock Hi-Hat Stand
(2) Premier Trilock Boom Arm Cymbal Stands
(2) Premier Trilock Snare Drum Stands
(2) Gretsch Concert Tom Tom Stands
Le Blond 20" Cymbal Case
Premier Drum Stool
Pearl Syncushion Drum Synthesizer
Claptrap Drum Synth
Boss DR-55 Dr. Rhythm Drum Machine


Drum Mics
(2) Shure 355 Microphones (I have no information on these mics, and am not sure the model # is right, but believe they are a bass drum mic)
(1) Shure Unidyne 3 Microphone (this was the pre-cursor to the SM57)


Ian Curtis

Microphone
(1) Shure SM57 Microphone

Guitars
Vox Mark VI V222 (this is referred to as the "Teardrop" model, and sometimes as the Mark III... it's all rather confusing and uncertain)
Vox Phantom Mark VI Special (Phantom VI Special is written on the headstock of Ian's Phantom and on the pickguard, this guitar can be seen in the Love Will Tear us Apart video)

This will either help or hurt the confusion over the actual model name of the Teardrop guitar:

http://www.voxamps.com/downloads/rev..._Player_50.pdf

Amps

Yamaha G-100 2 x 10" Amplifier (I believe this was his guitar amp, the customs document lists a 10" and 12" version of the Yamaha G-100, knowing Curtis' lack of confidence in his guitar playing, and how loud the synths compared to his guitar in live recordings, I am assuming he took the 10")

Other
P.A. System - Carlsboro Marlin 180w P.A. Amp
(2) Mitrex 2 x 12 P.A. Cabinets
Hohner Melodica (Soprano)
Tandberg 4-Track Tape Recorder



Bernard Sumner


Guitars

Gibson SG (Early 60's style pickguard, not sure of the exact year though, originally had a Vibrato)
Shergold Masquerader
Gibson ES-335 (Never saw him using this in Joy Division, but it was on the customs document, and he uses one in New Order as early as December 1980, see http://www.newwavephotos.com/NewOrder.htm)


Amplifiers

Vox AC-30
Yamaha G-100 2 x 12 Combo (believe this was for the synths)

Synthesizers/Keyboards

ARP Quadra
PowerTran Transcendent 2000 Synthesizer


Effects

Roland RE-301 Chorus Space Echo
Roland SBF-325 Stereo Flanger (Rack)
Roland SEQ-315 2 x 15-Band Graphic Equalizer (Rack)
Altair AW-5 Power Attenuator (http://www.amptone.com/altairpw5.htm as seen used by Bernard here: http://www.newwavephotos.com/JoyDivi...oyDivision.jpg)
Korg GT-6 Tuner


Peter Hook


Basses

Shergold Marathon 6-String Bass
Yamaha BB-1200 (Although on the customs documents it says "Yamaha S.B. Bass Guitar")

Amplifiers

Hiwatt "Custom Hiwatt 100" Head (that is what was written on the head, this was a custom model made for Hook)
Roland SIP-301 Bass Guitar Pre-Amp (not sure if this was for Peter Hook or for Bernard Sumner's synths, http://www.joness.com/gr300/SIP-301.htm)
Crown DC-300 Power Amp
(2) Custom Made 800w Bass Cabinets with 2 x 15" Gauss Speakers in each
Vox 2 x 10 Cabinet

Effects

Electro-Harmonix Clone Theory (the older one not currently in production)
Yamaha Analog Delay (most likely the E1010)
Roland SEQ-315 2 x 15-Band Graphic Equalizer (Rack)

Microphone
(1) Shure SM57 Microphone

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*Notes/Anachronisms:

1) Hooky's first bass was a Gibson EB-0 Copy, I know there were copies made by Kasuga, Penco, and Electra that fit into the proper timeframe, pictures of the bass are here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/1101665...7616421679839/)

2) Joydiv.org claims they used a Boss BF-2, it would have been almost impossible for anyone in Joy Division to have used a Boss BF-2 Flanger, since it was not sold until June of 1980, and Ian Curtis was dead by that time.

3) I included everything that was on the customs document and put some things (like the Yamaha G-100s) where they seemed to fit.

4) I am aware of other gear they used not on this list, but this was what was on the carnet/customs document, here is some of the other gear that I know of:


Peter Hook - in the early Warsaw days used a Gibson EB-0 Copy, I have a picture of this here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/11016654@N06/), he said it was terrible. Peter hook also heavily used a Hondo II Rickenbacker 4001 Copy, which is seen in many pictures of the band.

Bernard Sumner - Gibson SG (probably copy), in the Warsaw days Bernard used what is believe to be an SG copy. Additionally (according to joydiv.org, which also says Sumner used a BF-2), Sumner used an ARP Solina String Ensemble, and ETI synthesizers with a Melos Echo Chamber, and an MXR 10-Band EQ). Also, Bernard was using a Vox UL-730 (http://www.voxshowroom.com/uk/amp/730.html as pictured with the band: http://www.newwavephotos.com/JoyDivi...oyDivision.jpg and http://www.newwavephotos.com/JoyDivi...oyDivision.jpg) That gig is from Jan 17, 1980... and the amp was probably a rental. Additionally here is a picture from the Les Bains Douches gig (18 Dec 1979), where there are 2 of these amps on stage (http://www.worldinmotion.net/joydivi...s-sndcheck.jpg), I can only guess that one was for a synthesizer, which looks like it may be placed in between the 2 amps.


Joydiv.org does have some good info though, but this customs document (even though written out by Rob Gretton who wasn't a musician) is the only actual paper-proof I've seen of anything they used, that and what I've gathered from photos.

[ACultHero]

Post of the year, hands down.

[laa0815]

Originally Posted by ACultHero

Post of the year, hands down.

+ 1...

only complaint: Bernard Sumner didn't play an AC-30 back then, he played THIS amp:

http://www.voxshowroom.com/uk/amp/730.html

Cheers, Dominik

[AcquiredTaste]

If you look down at the notes section in my post you will find a mention of that amp. He did play an AC-30 as well, or at least that's what was in the Customs documents. The UL-730 was not.

[laa0815]

Originally Posted by AcquiredTaste

If you look down at the notes section in my post you will find a mention of that amp. He did play an AC-30 as well, or at least that's what was in the Customs documents. The UL-730 was not.

You're right. I'm terribly sorry...

[AcquiredTaste]

Originally Posted by laa0815

You're right. I'm terribly sorry...

No problem, I know if someone else posted all that info, I would have just skimmed it for effects, and not even thought to read the notes section.

Additionally I should note that in the Rob Gretton book there is a receipt for an "Overdrive" pedal. Going by Rob Gretton's labeling system, and the year it was purchased it is highly likely that this was a Boss OD-1. Additionally I own an OD-1 and have played Joy Division songs with it, and it sounds right. Although there was much more going on in the studio with Martin Hannett.

[fiveways]

Could the flanger be a Boss BF-1? Just tossing out a pre-1980 suggestion.

I have seen a pic which appeared to have a couple very old DOD pedals in it. I have it somewhere around this apartment.

[AcquiredTaste]

DOD pedals? Yes, please post that pic if you can find it. I haven't seen anything with them using DOD pedals. The timeline does fit to where they could have used a Boss BF-1 (manual dated June 1979) at some point, but I was just pulling from an official customs document from their manager, and that wasn't going with them in 1980 for this tour (just rackmount stuff for Bernard). However they do mention pedals like the EHX Clone Theory when it comes to Hooky. So I'd assume they would mention a big box like the BF-1.

[malcom]

I'd say the exact EB copy is splitting hairs. A majority of Japanese copy guitars are built by a small handfull of companies who apply decals for whichever company purchased that particular batch.

Also-- I always was surprised that Summer used a Melos echo, as I was pretty certain those were an oil can echo, and therefore unable to even vaguely recreate the sounds on the records. I'm aware that the albums were Hammet's baby, but I was expecting the band to get somewhere in the territory.

[AcquiredTaste]

Originally Posted by malcom

I'd say the exact EB copy is splitting hairs. A majority of Japanese copy guitars are built by a small handfull of companies who apply decals for whichever company purchased that particular batch.

Also-- I always was surprised that Summer used a Melos echo, as I was pretty certain those were an oil can echo, and therefore unable to even vaguely recreate the sounds on the records. I'm aware that the albums were Hammet's baby, but I was expecting the band to get somewhere in the territory.

I have pictures from some old site that I cant find anymore of that bass, no good headshot unfortunately. (they are here for the moment: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1101665...7616421679839/)

I've never seen a Melos Echo Unit, but joydiv.org claims that. Maybe he used it on his synths? I have one of the new Roland Space Echo pedals and that does his guitar reverb sound pretty well.

[Blomp]

I'd have thought this customs document is from their first trip to belgium in 1979, where they only played plan K (different gig to the one pictured). the reason i think this is peter hook's hondo bass (a ric copy with no binding) was destroyed about a week beforehand according to joydiv.org, and maybe they'd already organised the gear they were going to take with them, so it was listed anyway? i've seen some pictures of the first plan K gig where ian is playing his Vox phantom special.. so i think it's from that.

also the Vox UL-730 not being on the list, but it is quite clear on those pictures, although that could be a rented model as you said. so it could still be for their early 1980s tour of western europe, but the hondo bass being listed on the equipment doesn't make a lot of sense unless joydiv.org is wrong (it seems to be wrong in places). That also rules out it being for the american tour.

btw, is ian being carried off stage in that pic?

[AcquiredTaste]

Originally Posted by Blomp

I'd have thought this customs document is from their first trip to belgium in 1979, where they only played plan K (different gig to the one pictured). the reason i think this is peter hook's hondo bass (a ric copy with no binding) was destroyed about a week beforehand according to joydiv.org, and maybe they'd already organised the gear they were going to take with them, so it was listed anyway? i've seen some pictures of the first plan K gig where ian is playing his Vox phantom special.. so i think it's from that.

also the Vox UL-730 not being on the list, but it is quite clear on those pictures, although that could be a rented model as you said. so it could still be for their early 1980s tour of western europe, but the hondo bass being listed on the equipment doesn't make a lot of sense unless joydiv.org is wrong (it seems to be wrong in places). That also rules out it being for the american tour.

btw, is ian being carried off stage in that pic?

The customs document is from 1980, period. It was either related to their early 1980 tour where they visited The Netherlands, Belgium, and Germany OR the U.S. tour that never happened (the book does not say).

You are actually 100% right about the Hondo II bass though, I put it on the list under Hook when I was trying to make one cohesive post before I separated out what was "customs document" and what was just "known gear they used". I'll move it down, thanks for the correction.

However it should be noted that the Hondo II Rickenbacker Copy was not "destroyed", and was later given by Hook to a child to sell at an auction, where the child didn't even associate Hook's name with it (this is from an interview in some bass guitar magazine).

Ian is not being carried off stage, just bending over in between Hook and Sumner, and being weird (like he did best).

[chase]

Peter Hook's bass is a cherryburst BB-1200 (which was later stolen in New York). You can tell by the reverse-P pickup; the SB basses had jazz-type pickups and a slightly different shape and were only sold in Japan:
http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/guit...b/sb-800s.html

The SIP-301 is definitely his. Not sure about the Roland SBF-325 - do you have a picture of him using it? It's possible it goes with the other G-100 (I think you're right about the ownership of those).

malcom is right, the exact nature of his EB copy isn't that important, since he abandoned it very early on.

Great job compiling this list! I considered getting the Gretton book but I didn't think there'd be much of interest. It's cool that this turned up.

[AcquiredTaste]

Originally Posted by chase

Peter Hook's bass is a cherryburst BB-1200 (which was later stolen in New York). You can tell by the reverse-P pickup; the SB basses had jazz-type pickups and a slightly different shape and were only sold in Japan:
http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/guit...b/sb-800s.html

Alright, I'll update the list with the BB-1200S, although I think you meant to link this page:
http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/guit...b/bb-1200.html


Additionally, for the bass fans, here's another link of basses Peter has used throughout his career:

http://www.worldinmotion.net/revenge...kysguitars.htm


Oh, and you're entirely right about the SBF, I had copied and pasted the wrong rack unit, it was the EQ, not the Flanger that appeared in both of their racks.

[chase]

Sorry for the confusion, I should have linked to the BB1200 page - I chose the SB page just to show that it was different from what Hooky was seen playing. Would have helped to show what he actually WAS playing - you can see the BB1200 (not 1200S, that came later) here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yTIpcwBTTs